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Author:  Artur Craft [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:04 am ]
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JJ wrote:
Show race (only race) live on YouTube. Guaranteed millions of viewers.

The main problem is not that F1 is losing old viewers but that it won't get new viewers. How can 5-15 years old become exposed to Formula 1 nowadays? Accidentally seeing it on TV? Nope, no FTA channels.


RTL is FTA and very few places have "pay walls". Half of the races are still shown live on Italy and UK. All of them are free on Germany, Spain, Brazil(these 3 are big markets with 320 million people in population).......

I guess lot's of old viewers stopped watching because of all the artificiality that involves F1 these days.

Here's just an example with Italy:
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F1 have now less than half the spectators it had in 2006, there(an opposite trend to UK, as shown below)

I guess some spectators misses things like this, going by the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svBJRumK6Vc

StefMeister wrote:
mclaren2008 wrote:
What is the viewership for Formula E
Not great, in the UK at least:

https://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/20 ... 5-million/
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Formula E’s underperformed on ITV4 for round five of its championship from Miami. Live coverage of the race from 19:00 to 21:30 on Saturday averaged 150k (0.7%), peaking with 269k (1.3%) at 20:45. Highlights the following day averaged 71k (0.9%). Both numbers were below the respective slot averages for ITV4.


I'm not surprised, as UK seems to be one the most chauvinistic countries, when it comes to international motorsport:
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92- Mansell dominating(even more than Ferrari/Schumacher in 2004)= +5million viewers
93- No British figthing for WDC= 3,9m
94-95- Hill fighting for the WDC but no dominance= 4-4,5m
96- Hill dominates with a far superior car= 5,3m

The British people prefered Hill walking away easily with WDC in 96 than fighting for it with a German guy in 94-95

2007- Hamilton appears, already in a top car, and fights for WDC= big increase in the audience
2009- Button dominates with Brawn = first time over 4m since 2000

By this graph, it appears British people don't like fierce competition(as another example, 2012). It seems they like nothing more than seeing a fellow countryman dominating the championship. Obviously, when it's a German guy doing it they whine and call it boring(second lowest rating). The same when there is a titanic battle between a German and a Spaniard in 2006(lowest rating). Then, a darling home boy surfaces in a Mclaren and the rating immediately rises :whistling:

FE will only have good ratings there if somebody like Bird starts winning everything because the awesome racing, the series currently provides, is not what the average UK viewer appears to look for...

PS: Don't take the British motorsport fanatics that are members here as an indication of what the casual viewer is like.

Additional info about Germany:
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"Laut unseren Untersuchungen gab es 2014 weltweit bei den TV-Einschaltquoten einen Rückgang von 26 Prozent. Wenn du jetzt von diesen bereits drastisch reduzierten Einschaltquoten noch einmal 45 Prozent verlierst, wie es sich jetzt abzeichnet, und wenn das Reglement so bleibt und keine Angleichung passiert, dann ist zu hinterfragen: Wo liegt der sportliche und der kommerzielle Wert der Formel 1? Wenn die Kosten-Nutzen-Rechnung nicht mehr aufgeht, wird über ein Ausstiegs-Szenario nachgedacht."

"According to our research the tv ratings declined by 26 % in 2014. [...] it looks like we are losing another 45 % [...] For sure we're thinking about a withdrawal if the cost-benefit-calculation is negative."

http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/7 ... mel-1.html
Author:  StefMeister [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:55 am ]
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Regarding the UK deal with half of the races now only available as Highlights on FTA via the BBC, My 1st exposure to F1 (Imola 1989) was actually the BBC highlights & I got hooked on F1 at a time when the BBC didn't show every race Live & back then there highlights were usually on BBC2 & 10-11pm.

Obviously it would be best is every race was live on FTA, But I don't think some only been highlights is necessarily going to stop new fans watching/getting hooked because as I say thats how I got hooked & how many others did before the BBC started showing everything live in the 90s.
Author:  electrodevo [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:25 am ]
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ptclaus98 wrote:
But the technology is what F1 has always been about. More power, greater advantage, clever engineering.


Well, the technology focus in the auto industry isn't on raw power / speed these days, it's on fuel efficiency and automation. Probably that's part of the "issue" right there (it's affecting almost all motorsports forms, frankly...).
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:02 am ]
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Does the lack of a German race mean that everyone will flock to Spa and Austria instead
Author:  Fish88 [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:14 am ]
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mclaren2008 wrote:
Does the lack of a German race mean that everyone will flock to Spa and Austria instead


With all the Dutch coming to the Belgium Grand Prix to see Verstappen it could get busy.
Author:  SFM [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:32 pm ]
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Thinking of how many attended Hockenheim last year, I would say the impact on the other races shouldn't be too big, should it?
Author:  Tobias [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:52 pm ]
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fair point.
Author:  ptclaus98 [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:36 pm ]
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electrodevo wrote:
ptclaus98 wrote:
But the technology is what F1 has always been about. More power, greater advantage, clever engineering.


Well, the technology focus in the auto industry isn't on raw power / speed these days, it's on fuel efficiency and automation. Probably that's part of the "issue" right there (it's affecting almost all motorsports forms, frankly...).

Better efficiency equals more power. The scale might change but a more efficient engine is more powerful. The auto industry isn't focusing on dumb power. Extracting every bit of performance, whether it's a 1.5L turbodiesel or a big 5.7L pushrod V8.
Author:  StanV [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:23 pm ]
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mclaren2008 wrote:
Does the lack of a German race mean that everyone will flock to Spa and Austria instead


Germans usually are the second largest group of spectators at Spa anyway.
Author:  Антон [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:27 pm ]
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who cares what engines they had :roll:
Author:  codename_47 [ Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:53 pm ]
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Yeaaaah let's all stand here right on the start finish line, seems like a perfectly normal place to watch a race from.

Obviously today Gilles would've been disqualified for running off the track and then passing at the next corner. :mrgreen:
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:31 am ]
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set freedom for engine development and limit only fuel consumption. there you go group C racing all over again
Author:  SFM [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:23 am ]
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I'm just wondering if someone has the official app and whether it's worth the money. I used the demo for Melbourne and it looked pretty neat :)
Author:  westracing01 [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:31 am ]
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LucasWheldon wrote:
set freedom for engine development and limit only fuel consumption. there you go group C racing all over again


This man has the right of it.
Author:  Антон [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:47 am ]
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refueling was not forbidden, just that it was not necessary, but Bernie was always a cheater :mrgreen: and he continues to hate men who are higher and smarter him :lol:
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Author:  Tobias [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:51 am ]
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just saw this and got a lump in my throat
Author:  siggy [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:35 am ]
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Антон wrote:
who cares what engines they had :roll:

This is not the true speed. This video has been speeded up quiet a bit. Not that it isn't a good fight, it just looks a lot different in real speed.
Author:  Tobias [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:02 am ]
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Quote:
Алонсо пройдёт медицинские тесты в Кембридже

Чтобы получить допуск к участию в Гран При Малайзии, Фернандо Алонсо должен в воскресенье пройти медицинское освидетельствование, проведение которого доверено медикам Кембриджского университета.


it says that Alonso is undergoing medical tests in Cambridge university today, prior to flying out to Malaysia.

(and yes, the site is reliable enough)
Author:  Omega [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:35 am ]
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- guess we will just have to believe you
Author:  Ian-S [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:00 pm ]
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They must be testing his IQ then if he's at Cambridge University.

But seriously, there is a hospital there, Addenbrookes, dunno why they'd choose that particular one though, would think they'd use one of the private ones, not an everyday NHS institute (assuming he is at Addenbrookes).
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