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To put it mildly .

MP4-21 wasn't that bad a car either I think. I thought Mercedes V8 wasn't at the same level of the other manufacturers in 2006. Especially when you look at the 2007 and 2008 cars, those where some clear aerodynamic evolutions of the MP4-21. Mcllaren only added a massive amount of winglets to the car in the 2007 and 2008 season, but the base remained the same.

I might stand alone with this opinion. But that is IMO one of the coolest looking cars of 2014.

Ermmmm why?

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See if it had a better nose, it would look not too bad actually.

Correct me if i'm wrong, and I probably am (yes!!! finally got to use a Murrayism type quote in context!) but didn't Autosport run a cover of the MP4-18 at the time saying that it was the most important car in F1?

Oh I agree it was a bit of a dog and Senna struggled, but if you remove the Benetton then suddenly he wouldn't have had as many issues as he'd have comfortably leading on performance. As it is, the Benetton was running off into the distance and Senna was ragging hell out of a car which wasn't even running to the same rule book as the Benetton.

Every car was a bit crap and difficult to drive in 1994, as they went from one extreme to the other. but Sennas determination to make up the gap, which in his mind didn't make sense, was what made the Williams seem worse. If you reel back the Williams to a more sensible performance then it isn't too terrible a car, especially compared to the rest of the grid.

The car was the best scoring car that was actually legal in 1994. Only the corruption and stupidity meant Benetton were allowed to keep all the points they earned with an illegal car. They could've gotten the same punishment as Toyota got in WRC, but didn't, then the Williams would've been considered a success.

Finally found something that's somewhat similar

Imola 1994.

Dutch site Formule1.nl claims that Lotus was indeed driving with the modified Renault engine. Wonder how it works for Red Bull, STR and Caterham then.

This is getting very annoying. What part of "Red Bull's (inc. STR) issues aren't completely down to Renault" do people not understand?

Yes Lotus we're running with a slightly modified Renault (the major mod will come for the Bahrain) but those modifications may not work if Red Bull don't resolve their design / packaging issues.

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Sadly it is RBR who is crying the loudest and sadly everyone is picking up their complaints like it is the truth. Just like when their car wasn't suited to the Pirelli tyres last year, they moaned so hard Pirelli delivered them tailor made tyres. I thought they even blamed Mclaren electronics for some shit.

It is never Red Bull who is to blame, they are god.

Their complaints are the truth, though. They have been completely open about their own packaging issues. The Renault is a piece of shit that has yet to complete a race distance on anything near full power. For all anyone knows, the laps that Lotus did could have been (and probably were) done on the same settings as Kobayashi's running in Jerez.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Yet it's still partly down to Renault.
And Caterham had problems as well.
So fucking sorry that some people actually do care how these changes will work even though some teams fucked up their car as well.

I just don't want to see false hopes of Red Bull fail, slow start then winning everything and making it boring

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They won't. The complaints from fans will come when Mercedes has one hand on the title by mid-season.

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at least Mercedes is something different, and if possible they could secure the title before Abu Dhabi, that'll be the ideal scenario

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I'm not trying to pick a fight with you Micha, more that I've read so many posts similar to yours recently that it's getting irritating to read. I'm aiming my rant at a lot of people, not specifically at you. And besides, most are ignoring the facts at hand and simply laying the blame squarely at Renault's doors. As Fish88 says...

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The fact is that Caterham also had big problems with the engine and Lotus now seemed to have a trouble-free session. So it's completely logical that people look forward to the next testsession and see how the Renault teams will perform there.

If Lotus and Caterham run mostly trouble-free there we know Renault fixed most problems. Thats what people are wondering about. If it takes Renault months to fix it we have 1/3th of the grid in big trouble and 2 of those teams can't really use such major problems.

Doesn't Caterham have a technical arrangement with Red Bull? Whereby they use significant elements of the back end of the Red Bull...

Plus, you can't judge Renault on Caterham. They're not a good barometer of performance or build quality. Their car (right now) is simply poor. Again that is not Renault's fault.

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why all of a sudden so much negativity towards Renault?

they played a major part in Red Bull's, Vettels (and Webbers) victories and championships for 4 consecutive years!

There are only 3 engine makers anymore, if the rules are completely changed and they have to start from scratch... it can happen one or two have done a better job than the other one.

Everytime in the history of F1 a team (or engine maker) that had huge successes fell back at a certain point.