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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:03 pm 
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Fantastic aerial shot of Albert Park
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Sweet, never noticed that stadium. Funny T4&5 are actually a parking lot.


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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


I think that this year if you're not in the mix by the time F1 returns to Europe, you might as well write off 2013. Look at 2008/9 - Red Bull and Honda wrote off 2008 and it helped them hugely in 2009.

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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


Even last year, when the opening races were supposed to have been hugely unpredictable, after 5 rounds the championship table was virtually the same it was come the end of the season. The only driver I imagine that actually made an significant move after 5 races was Massa.


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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


Personally I find it a lack of fighting spirit from Ferrari and McLaren, but perhaps they're just being realistic. But the part that it can't get any worse than last year (Ferrari) is pretty terrible.

And I disagree with Raikkonen, it's a long season and a good start to the season doesn't guarantee anything. Ask Mercedes. It will be a development race again, like pretty much every season. :)


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Mercedes looks good indeed, as does Lotus. But even if they are able to win races in the first season bit, I think the other teams, especially McLaren will overtake them easily in the development race.
I'm looking forward to see how Perez will do. I am sure he is a big talent and will be able to beat Button.

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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


It's just PR spin. The teams are never going to come out and say "yeah, we're pretty fucked atm so we're hoping to god we'll improve later in the season". It'll be a different story behind the scenes - I'm pretty sure none of the teams just cba'd to get good results at the start of the season.


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Where is the "crashes from the past" thread in the videos section :(


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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


Teams are simply voicing a reserved approach and opinion, but that doesn't mean they're happy with achieving mediocre results. Better that than predict you'll be competitive and tell the world you'll win the race, then fall on your arse in a very embarrassing way.... ***looks toward Ross Brawn and Mercedes***

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Fabs wrote:
Where is the "crashes from the past" thread in the videos section :(


I watched the complete 2003 GP on a Sky F1 stream yesterday (thanks for mentioning that Jason!). My first real race I remember recording and watching several times 8)


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Tobias wrote:
thought I'd copy a viewpoint of mine from another forum.

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I am amazed how some top teams seem to accept mediocre results early on, just because last year there was either a disastrous start or because they think they will improve massively as the season goes on while the rivals will drop behind.

This is particularly true for Ferrari ("yeah, couldn't get much worse than last year's car, so we've got the championship in the pocket already basically") and McLaren.

Opposing view expressed by Raikkonen just two days ago, suggesting early form will be key to the championship.


what do you think of it?


Teams are simply voicing a reserved approach and opinion, but that doesn't mean they're happy with achieving mediocre results. Better that than predict you'll be competitive and tell the world you'll win the race, then fall on your arse in a very embarrassing way.... ***looks toward Ross Brawn and Mercedes***


On that note, didn't BAR announce in 1999 that they were going to win the championship in their first season?


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The opposite extreme would be Toyota in 2002: "Our objective is to qualify for our first race".


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Something like that, or they predicted they would win their first race as Reynard had achieved that feat in almost every rank of single seater racing they had entered.

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possible showers for the weekend

http://www.abc.net.au/melbourne/weather/


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You're not Fabs, therefore not allowed to post anything connected to rain.

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You're not Fabs, therefore not allowed to post anything connected to rain.

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Just found out my girlfriend's sister (who's boyfriend is racing in one of the support categories) has got us passes for race day! 8) 8) 8)

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Saturday - Showers 22ºC
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Chosen a great time to end our heat wave.

The perfect time!

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To go back to the fanboy thing, being at F1InPubs has opened my eyes to how the "other half" views the sport...

There people like us, who post on forums and such, the dedicated fan, who will be happy enough if the race is a good one no matter how "their" driver does.
But then there's a huge swathe of people who only watch it for their favourite team/driver and would much rather a boring race with him/them winning than an exciting race where they are 4th or something...

Personally, I had favourite drivers when I was younger and as some people have said already I think Montoya was my last out and out "Fanboyish" driver, however I do tend to generate towards those drivers who are the bravest overtakers vs those who are good at inlaps/outlaps and pitstops, etc.
So atm I'm more a fan of, say Hamilton or Raikkonen (who both TV broadcasters over here featured heavily in their "best overtakes of the season" catagory) than someone like Alonso or Vettel who is going to out-think their rivals through strategy and play the long game (including radio'ing Charlie Whiting and all manner of "go the extra mile" activities to ensure they try their hardest to have everything going their way ) and not so much opt for the ballsy on track overtake.

(In B4 pointing out how those drivers have actually made some great overtakes too, I know, I know ;) )

But the more I'm around the more casual fan the more I think my point of view of "racing quality first, results second" is a minority view and everyone else is more a tribalist who is only in it for their particular team or driver... :o

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codename_47 wrote:
But the more I'm around the more casual fan the more I think my point of view of "racing quality first, results second" is a minority view and everyone else is more a tribalist who is only in it for their particular team or driver... :o

That's my impression too. It appears to me that majority of people would prefer a boring race with their favourite driver winning than an epic one with their's driver having a unfortunate afternoon

BTW, Is Albert Park located on "eastern suburbs" of Melbourne?

I ask this cause that's where the rain is mainly expected according to this site:
http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml


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