All of these are pretty good points to validate my argument about the RB19 being the best of the best
Won everything in a super reliable era with stiff competition whilst having pretty big restrictions placed on them....
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| Author: | JJ [ Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:20 am ] |
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But with 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system (and with no sprints or FL points) not only Haas, but Alfa Romeo, Williams and Alpha Tauri would all have finished the season with zero points. |
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| Author: | Omega [ Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:36 pm ] |
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JJ wrote: But with 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system (and with no sprints or FL points) not only Haas, but Alfa Romeo, Williams and Alpha Tauri would all have finished the season with zero points. But that´s an old discussion. Cars are way more reliable now. 30 years ago you had a good season if you only had to retire 4 times in 16 races. 26 starters, 10 finishers was not rare. So sometimes, surviving alone was enough to finish 5th or 6th. |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:49 pm ] |
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that's how Moreno secured the first point for AGS at Adelaide in 1987, in what was basically a 1985 Renault built in a shed with a Cosworth engine, finished just 3 laps behind though |
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| Author: | Bleu [ Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:16 pm ] |
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Safety cars and unlapping rule does part of that, but if you had finished exactly one lap before winner, you would have scored four points this year: 9th in Monaco 10th in Hungary 10th in Brazil As a comparison in 1988: 6th in Brazil 3rd in San Marino 4th in Monaco 4th in Mexico 4th in Canada 3rd in USA 4th in France 6th in Britain 6th in Germany 5th in Hungary 6th in Belgium (8th in chequered flag, promoted by Benetton DQ) 5th in Australia That's 28 points with the system which gave much less points. |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:52 pm ] |
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All of these are pretty good points to validate my argument about the RB19 being the best of the best Won everything in a super reliable era with stiff competition whilst having pretty big restrictions placed on them....
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| Author: | Karan [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:36 pm ] |
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And the poorly kept secret is now official. [tweet]https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/1730626593343545782[/tweet] |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:47 pm ] |
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more like "potential drivers failed to bring money so we'll stick with that american to fool local sponsors" |
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| Author: | amq55 [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:54 pm ] |
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I think this is the first time ever that the full line-up has been kept from one season to another. |
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| Author: | RtN [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:35 pm ] |
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The right decision. Sargeant was clearly improving towards the end of the year and Williams didn't have any alternatives who were very likely to be better. amq55 wrote: I think this is the first time ever that the full line-up has been kept from one season to another. Yes. 2009 had the old record with two changes (Vettel replacing Coulthard and Buemi replacing Vettel). |
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| Author: | Schumifan [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:43 pm ] |
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Refreshing to see a modern F1 team give a young driver time to improve. |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:22 pm ] |
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There was just a lack of alternatives, that would have hit the reset counter back to zero. Understandable decision. |
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| Author: | Ospif1 [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:40 am ] |
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I personally don't think he has what it takes but I hope I'm wrong |
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| Author: | mclaren2008 [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:21 am ] |
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first time ever there will be no rookies in F1 
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| Author: | Ospif1 [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:34 am ] |
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mclaren2008 wrote: first time ever there will be no rookies in F1 First time ever I believe there's been no grid change last race to first race also |
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| Author: | De Cesaris fan [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:10 am ] |
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Whilst he looked slightly better towards the end of the season, losing 22 - 0 in qualifying and destroying several cars was a terrible season, even for a rookie. I don't think any other F2 front runner would do any worse, but maybe he'll prove me wrong next season. |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:22 pm ] |
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this also shows how F1 needs to change some stuff, like having more cars and teams that can give more shots to F2 alumni |
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| Author: | JJ [ Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:32 pm ] |
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Yeah, if there were 13 teams, no way they would all keep the same drivers each year. But F1 is afraid of changes (except of changing things that should be left alone). |
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| Author: | LucasWheldon [ Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:11 pm ] |
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some sources are reporting that Brad Pitt might scrap all the racing footage of his movie and do it all over again I can see this whole thing entering development hell, or is just Pitt blowing Apple's money |
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| Author: | webbsy [ Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:26 pm ] |
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The article states that it was a change in sponsor for the scrapping of the footage. Seems rather odd considering practically every single movie nowdays is a CGI fest and wouldn't be all that difficult to do. Was it scrapped because it just wasn't any good? |
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| Author: | Juihi [ Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:17 am ] |
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I thought it had something to do with the writers strike, and any previous footage they'd filmed, they couldn't use anymore |
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