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2011 Random F1 Discussion
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Author:  Juihi [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:10 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:
Looks too small. Turn 3 looks nice but the rest is meh. Another track not needed.



How many world class tracks do you live nearby to?, and by nearby I mean within 1000-2000km
Author:  ellis [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:19 pm ]
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Juihi wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
Looks too small. Turn 3 looks nice but the rest is meh. Another track not needed.



How many world class tracks do you live nearby to?, and by nearby I mean within 1000-2000km


Assuming he lives in London (dont know where he is in England) he has -

Silverstone
Spa
Magny Cours
Paul Ricard
Le Mans
Barcelona
Valencia
Valencia Street (doesn't count, but hey)
Estoril
Algarve
Red Bull Ring
Imola
Monza
Nurburgring
Hockenheim
Hungaroring

Probably lots lots more, and this is only Grade 1, 1T.
Author:  Juihi [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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My thoughts exactly, so he's spoilt for the choice really, so the quote
phil1993 wrote:
Another track not needed.
is all nice and well for him to say, but the rest of the world still want race tracks lol?
Author:  Metzo [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:58 pm ]
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ya like this world really needs more shitty racetracks
Author:  Juihi [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:05 pm ]
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ah yes, Tilke's designing it, so it's instantly shitty, great logic
Author:  J.Morelli [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:10 pm ]
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Was reading about this track in Beto Carrero, the government of Santa Catarina had a meeting with Bernie Ecclestone 15 days ago, discussed that they don't have intention to take out Interlagos from F1 schedule, that they're wanting to share with Interlagos two brazilian grand prix, which extremely unlikely in my opinion. The ideal, If necessary, was to alternate with Interlagos.

They scheduled a new meeting for April with Bernie, let's see where it will end up. Honestly, track is not any superb thing but If we want to keep a brazilian Grand Prix in F1, we'll have to work specially because Argentina and Mexico are pursuiting the same. We know Interlagos is old and every year there's some complaint, we have to find somewhere else.

The circuit is already being built, it's not a rumour. The question is, will ie be able to host a F1 event?
Author:  Juihi [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:11 pm ]
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Personally I'd prefer to have F1 stay at Interlagos (although it only produces decent racing if it rains)
Author:  F1Peter [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:15 pm ]
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I actually don't think it looks that bad.. Maybe they'll use it when they do all of the changes to interlagos that they were planning on doing
Author:  amq55 [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:26 pm ]
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Juihi wrote:
Personally I'd prefer to have F1 stay at Interlagos (although it only produces decent racing if it rains)

Rain or shine, Interlagos is one of the best races of the year. Even if it's just because of the atmosphere.
Author:  ryan86 [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:32 pm ]
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I just see some of these new circuits almost as vanity projects of individuals or governments, yes, with the goal of trying to promote their nation on global scale, but also with obvious problems. We've got numerous countries such as Korea, Bahrain (OK, it's tiny), Turkey etc, who have absolutely no motorsport heritage, no natural motorsport fanbase, yet they've got these massive arenas that they can't fill. OK, not the case here, as Brazil is strong in the history side, but what's it now. A domestic regional battle. One governer or whatever trying to promote his state over another, possibly leaving Brazil with two circuits, only one of which can be used per year to fry the main fish and possibly not working out for either in the long term.
Author:  trout [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:33 pm ]
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it looks flat. i prefer for racetracks to have elevation changes. spa, laguna seca, the nordschleife
Author:  Juihi [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:44 pm ]
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amq55 wrote:
Juihi wrote:
Personally I'd prefer to have F1 stay at Interlagos (although it only produces decent racing if it rains)

Rain or shine, Interlagos is one of the best races of the year. Even if it's just because of the atmosphere.


yep, I'll agree with you about the atmosphere, Formula One in the raw!
Author:  ellis [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:46 pm ]
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Juihi wrote:
My thoughts exactly, so he's spoilt for the choice really, so the quote
phil1993 wrote:
Another track not needed.
is all nice and well for him to say, but the rest of the world still want race tracks lol?


Right, but as soon as a track is made in a place that isn't normal, this forum starts bitching and crying like F1 is dead.
Author:  AxisVonOversteer [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:47 am ]
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he's not getting into politics...
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:57 am ]
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Build a track with challenging corners, narrower straights, elevation changes and shorter run offs. Stop banning corner designs like Eau Rouge. Ban super long straights into hairpins instead. Give more consideration to the circuit layout rather than the pit buildings and architecture. Place this crazy green stuff called trees and grass around the circuit. Then I might show some interest in a new venue. :)

Feel free to attempt to go to new countries, but if it doesn't work out after a few years, pull out. And definitely not at the expense of a classic race with a massive fan base.

I know, I know, I sound like a broken record. :p
Author:  Omega [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:13 am ]
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A couple of years ago we were all begging for long straights with a tight corner or hairpin after it, that was the only reasonable place where F1 could overtake. Now everyone wants them out...
Author:  Coldtyre [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:46 am ]
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Omega wrote:
A couple of years ago we were all begging for long straights with a tight corner or hairpin after it, that was the only reasonable place where F1 could overtake. Now everyone wants them out...

Who is "we"? I can remember what the sensible regular members were all saying, and everyone was mainly bitching about how the cars cannot follow each other too closely and how the braking distances are too short.

Those are the main issues. Fix that and you'll have great action even on the twistier, narrower tracks.
Author:  phil1993 [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:34 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
Juihi wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
Looks too small. Turn 3 looks nice but the rest is meh. Another track not needed.



How many world class tracks do you live nearby to?, and by nearby I mean within 1000-2000km


Assuming he lives in London (dont know where he is in England) he has -

Silverstone
Spa
Magny Cours
Paul Ricard
Le Mans
Barcelona
Valencia
Valencia Street (doesn't count, but hey)
Estoril
Algarve
Red Bull Ring
Imola
Monza
Nurburgring
Hockenheim
Hungaroring

Probably lots lots more, and this is only Grade 1, 1T.


Correct. (Well, Reading way but near enough)

Julhi, I didn't mean to offend. I meant it's great to have another track exist, but F1 doesn't need it. Use it for local series, touring cars etc, but not F1.

Oh, and regarding Interlagos. Great track, but the last two races there have been shit for some reason, which has been a shame.
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:55 pm ]
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Yeah, I don't understand why Pirelli went so conservative in the second half of the season. But races that we gave 3 or 4 out of 10 would probably have been 7 or 8 if it was 2002. We were just spoilt with some cracking action earlier in the season.
Author:  Juihi [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:07 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:

Julhi, I didn't mean to offend. I meant it's great to have another track exist, but F1 doesn't need it. Use it for local series, touring cars etc, but not F1.


yea, I know, I just felt like having a rant :lol: I guess my point is that other people around the world want to see live racing cars race as well, but yes, I can see what you mean about all these tracks popping up around the world wanting to host F1, seems to be 1 every month :o
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