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Thank god.

"In other changes, under a safety car lapped cars will now unlap themselves and join back of queue so they are not in way at restart"

http://www.f1zone.net/news/wmsc-confirm ... dar/10876/

Why does it take the FIA so long to do the wave around?

It takes Nascar 1 lap from wave around to green, if you don't drive round quick enough to catch the queue up, tough.

There will now be a maximum race time of four hours during each grand prix, ensuring that lengthy suspensions do not result in events that are longer than that.

Ian-S wrote:

Why does it take the FIA so long to do the wave around?

It takes Nascar 1 lap from wave around to green, if you don't drive round quick enough to catch the queue up, tough.

They can't drive quick enough due to the delta times. That's a large part of the reason why 'traditional' safety car periods (for accidents or debris) now take longer, because they have to wait until everyone is in the queue.

• Drivers may no longer move back onto the racing line having moved off it to defend a position.

This will surely cause for some trouble next year.

Author:	Omega [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:56 pm ]
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I thought they got rid of that rule because it took too long?

Author:	ixnay [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:27 pm ]
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I like the rule. Much better for us. A lap or two more is worth it to me for the potential of the front runners battling in the restart lap. Yes... I know. Some people think SC is manufacturing excitement. But considering we have a Safety Car I'd rather it be this way than 1st, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 2nd, 23rd, 3rd, 24th, 5th.

Author:	ellis [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote: Thank god. "In other changes, under a safety car lapped cars will now unlap themselves and join back of queue so they are not in way at restart" http://www.f1zone.net/news/wmsc-confirm ... dar/10876/ I take it nobody remembers why they got rid of that rule in the first place? First SC next year, this forum will be filled with people complaining about the length of the SC session.

Author:	Gaara [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:16 pm ]
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Well it's either take longer with the SC or have errant lapped cars get in the way, I'll take longer SC periods.

Author:	DinoMarko93 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:54 pm ]
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Great rule. 2,3 laps more of Sc,ok,but then we will have direct action,and not 5 cars between 1st and 2nd.

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Author:	aerogi [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:04 pm ]
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can't the lapped cars on the straight just go to the left, and let all the unlapped cars behind them let through? Or that all the lapped cars have to pass in the pitlane just before the last SC lap, so that they are all out of the way when the restart is given?

Author:	Ian-S [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:09 pm ]
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Why does it take the FIA so long to do the wave around? It takes Nascar 1 lap from wave around to green, if you don't drive round quick enough to catch the queue up, tough.

Author:	acopip [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:36 pm ]
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there needs to be a shortcut on the tracks (what the new tracks already have) to let the lapped cars pass.

Author:	Ian-S [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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Doesn't Bernie already want them to aid in overtaking?

Author:	RtN [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:17 pm ]
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Ian-S wrote: Why does it take the FIA so long to do the wave around? It takes Nascar 1 lap from wave around to green, if you don't drive round quick enough to catch the queue up, tough. They can't drive quick enough due to the delta times. That's a large part of the reason why 'traditional' safety car periods (for accidents or debris) now take longer, because they have to wait until everyone is in the queue.

Author:	phil1993 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:03 pm ]
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They should just have slower Safety Car laps, that'd help. Also, surely the delta times should only come into account in the incident zone. Say there's a crash on Lap 20 at Spa at Les Combes, then you'd be okay to continue at racing speeds elsewhere on the track. My personal view is that they have to cut out the ridiculous SC laps in bad weather when they run 6 or 7 laps before throwing the red flag, followed by another 5 or 6 laps after the restart. There's no need for it.

Author:	gd49 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:04 pm ]
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Autosport wrote: There will now be a maximum race time of four hours during each grand prix, ensuring that lengthy suspensions do not result in events that are longer than that. No more epic race delays RtN wrote: Ian-S wrote: Why does it take the FIA so long to do the wave around? It takes Nascar 1 lap from wave around to green, if you don't drive round quick enough to catch the queue up, tough. They can't drive quick enough due to the delta times. That's a large part of the reason why 'traditional' safety car periods (for accidents or debris) now take longer, because they have to wait until everyone is in the queue. When they do the wave around they could turn off the delta times - by that stage whatever caused the SC should be cleared.

Author:	Cartman [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:14 pm ]
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http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/12/07/cota ... for-us-gp/

Author:	phil1993 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:50 pm ]
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Sauber has left FOTA and STR didn't send a representative to the meeting today.

Author:	phil1993 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:40 pm ]
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Apparently Tommi Pärmäkoski - one of the guys closest to Vettel in F1 (his personal trainer) - is leaving the sport to become an ice hockey coach In Finnish: http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko/uu ... lmentajana

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Author:	HRC [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:02 pm ]
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• Drivers may no longer move back onto the racing line having moved off it to defend a position. This will surely cause for some trouble next year.

Author:	De Cesaris fan [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:59 pm ]
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Why does it matter if the lapped cars catch back up or not? They're already gaining an advantage by getting back ahead of the leaders. Just let them past and go green the next lap, regardless of whether they've caught up or not.

Author:	pdukers [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:01 pm ]
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Why not a drive through the pits to put them at the end of line? Simpler and faster, and you don't give them an advantage by giving a lap back. They are a lap down for a good reason. To me it seems F1 also makes things too complicated.

Author:	Cheeveer [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:26 pm ]
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Lucky dog imo

Author:	alex1369 [ Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:58 pm ]
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HRC wrote: • Drivers may no longer move back onto the racing line having moved off it to defend a position. This will surely cause for some trouble next year. Manny manny penalties, in the end they will make railroads on tracks and who goes too fast and falls of the rails he gets a DSQ...