phil1993 wrote:
Potential layout, according to Joe Saward
No way..
It's a residential zone. They will never pass on residential streets.
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| Author: | Eddington mains [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:10 am ] |
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How good is Kimi at developing cars though? Team Willy with a Renault engine is one thing and great for all us fans old enough to remember the beginning of the partnership last time round.. But I don't think Kimi is as good at helping developing a car as Patrese was back then! Sure it could move them forward, but back in the winners circle?.. I don't think so I'm afraid. |
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| Author: | StefMeister [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:13 am ] |
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Thought this paragraph from James Allen's article on the engine map clampdown was intresting: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/10/r ... designers/ Quote: Interestingly, on the subject of front wings, what some teams have found recently is that, with the soft rubber from which Pirelli is making tyres, the “marbles”, or bits of loose rubber that shred off the tyres are forming in clumps in the gaps between the elements of the front wing, causing a loss of several points of downforce. Perhaps explains why Lewis suddenly lost a lot of front downforce at Korea? |
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| Author: | Akwel [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:28 am ] |
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phil1993 wrote: Potential layout, according to Joe Saward No way.. It's a residential zone. They will never pass on residential streets. |
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| Author: | iks [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:03 am ] |
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They should race somewhere on the west coast...like Seattle. |
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| Author: | ellis [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:53 am ] |
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Juihi wrote: ellis wrote: Kimi was completely unmotivated when not at the front, so signing for Williams seems like a rather random idea. From our perspective yes, but as we know Kimi was near on impossible to gage how he was actually feeling, tbh from what I've heard from my Finnish friends he was working bloody hard and motivation was defenately not an issue. I have no doubt that Kimi was superb at pushing, but there's no getting away from it - when he was stuck back in the pack, he dropped off very badly. Mika Hakkinen did it at times too. |
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| Author: | NVirkkula [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:21 am ] |
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Juihi wrote: ellis wrote: Kimi was completely unmotivated when not at the front, so signing for Williams seems like a rather random idea. From our perspective yes, but as we know Kimi was near on impossible to gage how he was actually feeling, tbh from what I've heard from my Finnish friends he was working bloody hard and motivation was defenately not an issue. That's correct. Kimi hates media and has his own personality for media. He's a laidback guy, who always does the best he can with given car. Usually that's over the cars potential. He also understands how the car works and can define very specificly how he wants the car to handle for him. The problem at Ferrari in 2009 was that the italian team wanted to develop a car that was balanced and bit understeery, a car that suited for Schumacher and Massa better. Kimi wanted a more oversteering car, which engineers failed to deliver. Also the team was playing on Felipe's bag, instead of Kimi, which showed quite clearly. Kimi was suddenly the driver to beat in Spa and did well at Monza too. Ferrari wasn't much of a car, Fisichella was 2nd at Spa with Force India but was nowhere near Kimi at Monza with Ferrari. In 2008 Kimi had bad luck in few races, he made few mistakes, the team made bad race strategies and there were few mechanical failures too. Massa got more points but I don't think Massa was better driver that year. Kimi most definitely should be in F1, I sure hope that the Williams deal is true. For 2013 there's a seat open at Mercedes, Red Bull and possibly at McLaren, if Button goes to Ferrari to replace Massa. |
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| Author: | RtN [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:56 am ] |
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Good news for Sauber. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95583 |
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| Author: | De Cesaris fan [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:00 pm ] |
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That layout is far too awesome for F1. |
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| Author: | Artur Craft [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:50 pm ] |
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NVirkkula wrote: That's correct. Kimi hates media and has his own personality for media. He's a laidback guy, who always does the best he can with given car. Usually that's over the cars potential. He also understands how the car works and can define very specificly how he wants the car to handle for him. The problem at Ferrari in 2009 was that the italian team wanted to develop a car that was balanced and bit understeery, a car that suited for Schumacher and Massa better. Kimi wanted a more oversteering car, which engineers failed to deliver. Also the team was playing on Felipe's bag, instead of Kimi, which showed quite clearly. Kimi was suddenly the driver to beat in Spa and did well at Monza too. Ferrari wasn't much of a car, Fisichella was 2nd at Spa with Force India but was nowhere near Kimi at Monza with Ferrari. In 2008 Kimi had bad luck in few races, he made few mistakes, the team made bad race strategies and there were few mechanical failures too. Massa got more points but I don't think Massa was better driver that year. Kimi most definitely should be in F1, I sure hope that the Williams deal is true. For 2013 there's a seat open at Mercedes, Red Bull and possibly at McLaren, if Button goes to Ferrari to replace Massa. Schumacher always prefered oversteery cars. |
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| Author: | NVirkkula [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:40 pm ] |
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No, Schumacher always prefered a neutral car, Kimi wanted more oversteering than what Ferrari could deliver. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:42 pm ] |
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I really dislike the theory that Kimi was unmotivated. Just strikes of ignorance. At what point could you say Kimi wasn't trying his all? In 2008? Okay then, well the team never tried to fix his qualifying woes and when they did lo and behold he was back fighting and pushing at the front again. His late-2009 form and effort wasn't indincative of a man who didn't give a shit. |
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| Author: | ellis [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:56 pm ] |
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phil1993 wrote: I really dislike the theory that Kimi was unmotivated. Just strikes of ignorance. Wouldn't count Martin Brundle as ignorant, of all people, but you're entitled to your opinion. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:00 pm ] |
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Well you can argue that he wasn't as committed as others - he didn't visit the Ferrari factory to the extent that Schumacher/Alonso did/do nor bond with every member of the team like them. But to say unmotivated is just ignorance. A driver without motivation doesn't go into the 2nd half of 2009 and stagger members of the team with the pace he extracted from the F60. The engineers were stunned with his pace. I know a lot of guys on this forum don't really like Kimi, but I genuinely hope he comes back next season. He's such a great talent and his Ferrari stint really didn't work out, despite his world title. |
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| Author: | ellis [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:03 pm ] |
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We weren't talking about motivation over a season, but motivation in a race when he was stuck down the field... I don't see what his championship run has to do with anything that anyone said. And for the record, I like Kimi, I'm just not going to pretend to myself that he was better than he was just because he left. |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:08 pm ] |
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Kimi in his McLaren days I believe was one of the best in F1's history. For me, when he went to Ferrari, his style seemed a little less aggressive. Too calm. Almost as if he lost something. But I can understand if he lost motivation when stuck down the field. Some of the time, yes. Like early 2009 when the car was crap and there was no hope of points. That has to be demotivating for a driver. Hamilton and Alonso have also been like that too, not often, but still. To counter that, Kimi has produced some great drivers from way down the field. Not just Suzuka 2005, but times in 2005/6 when engine failures left him starting 12th or something and he was often in the top 4. |
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| Author: | cookie [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:53 am ] |
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I think Kimi left F1 because you couldn't overtake (really race) other cars anymore. Montoya also loved that and left because it became increasingly difficult to make the difference in these cars. But now with DRS and KERS and the Pirelli tyres it is attractive again to race in F1. I'm sure that's why Kimi's interested again. He tried WRC and Nascar, but probably has come to the conclusion that there's nothing better than racing wheel to wheel in an openwheel car. |
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| Author: | Artur Craft [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:53 pm ] |
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NVirkkula wrote: No, Schumacher always prefered a neutral car, Kimi wanted more oversteering than what Ferrari could deliver. Yes, he prefers neutral cars but no car is neutral, they always have, at least, a bit of under or oversteer and Schumi always hated understeery cars. Bottom line is, he prefers as neutral as possible with a smal trend to oversteer. About Kimi's possible return, if he eventually collide with Hamilton, all the forums are gonna go down because of so many people posting at the same time. 
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| Author: | F1-FR [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:32 pm ] |
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Vitaly is confirmed for 2012 in LRGP. |
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| Author: | dieseldriver [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:56 pm ] |
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phil1993 wrote: Potential layout, according to Joe Saward reminds me to canada |
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| Author: | phil1993 [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:23 pm ] |
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F1 Racing's November cover  Joe Saward reports that the deal is done. |
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