V8SC 2010 Discussion - Sydney Telstra 500 - Dec 3-5

Mitch the Bitch · PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:29 pm

Yeah I knew that, but I find it weird that they put that rule in for Phillip Island and Bathurst where regular drivers must drive their own cars, yet for the Gold Coast it's OK for a team's regular drivers to share a car together. It should be either primary drivers must be split for all 3 enduros (which could make a mess of the international drivers format at Surfers) or go back to pre-2010 where teams could pair their drivers how they like. Not both.

garbo · PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:15 pm

It is contradictory but I can't have seen the format for the Gold Coast getting board approval given the lack of success for international drivers recently.

Say you get to the round with 5 or 6 championship contenders. Lowndes, Whincup, Tander, W Davison, Winterbottom, Courtney.
This round will still have the potential to mess that up. Now force all 6 to pair with an international and I can't see the drivers or the teams supporting the format except for the 888 driver who got paired with Allan Simonsen (if he is available).

Here is an outline of the pairings for the event. 6 cars of regulars you'd assume would be together, another 6 possible depending on organising sponsors. If they don't get paired together one of the regular drivers will get stuck with an international partner. All single car (or the 3rd car of 3 car teams) are stuck with an international partner, and all team 2nd cars will have an international driver.

So after organising pairs you are already down to only 10 pairings that have a chance of winning, less if sponsorship gets in the way.

Whincup / Lowndes
Tander / W Davison
T Kelly / R Kelly
Bargwanna / TBA (sponsor dependant)
J Richards / Bright (sponsor dependant)
Thompson / Coulthard
Holdsworth / Caruso
Ingall / Murphy (sponsor dependant)
A Davison / Van Gisbergen (sponsor dependant)
Winterbottom / S Richards (sponsor dependant)
Johnson / Courtney

D'Alberto / INT
Reindler / INT
Gaunt / INT
Slade / INT
Dumbrell / INT
Fiore / INT
Webb / INT

888 2 (TBA / INT)
HRT 2 (TBA / INT)
JDR 2 (TBA / INT)
KRT 2 (TBA / INT)
BJR 2 (TBA / INT)
WAL 2 (TBA / INT)
GRM 2 (TBA / INT)
PMM 2 (TBA / INT)
SBR 2 (TBA / INT)
FPR 2 (TBA / INT)
DJR 2 (TBA / INT)

insanebrain · **Joined:** Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:05 am **Posts:** 134

Of course the big question who do they define as international. Take for instance, Craig Baird is a kiwi, but sometimes lives on the gold coast, does most of his driving overseas (ASIAN and NZ porsche, NZV8), is he an international? past winner in v8's too if I remember correctly (with SBR?). If so guys like Kayne Scott, John McIntyre, Andy Booth, Angus Fogg from the NZV8's also have experiance in V8supercars...

What about Will Power - an Australian but racing and living in the USA? I guess if David Brabham is one of the internationals then Will would gualify under this rule.

Overall this will assist the international drivers to get up to speed for the endurance races and give them a chance to earn a seat. Promotion wise will be good.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:44 am

Bigger news for me is they're shortening the track!

Which will probably suck balls and will also mean they'll never go back to the longer layout, Adelaide style!

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:07 am

codename_47 wrote:

Which will probably suck balls and will also mean they'll never go back to the longer layout, Adelaide style!

scotty wrote:

[spoiler]

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No overtakes there

Mattzel89 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:59 am

They could get rid of the first chicane now

dbr12 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:07 pm

I was surprised to hear the news yesterday so lets hope its a good thing for V8s.

They should keep the track the same though.

Mitch the Bitch · PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:01 pm

Fuck you V8SA. :thumbsup:

Speedcafe wrote:

Barbagallo Raceway’s round of the V8 Supercars Championship Series has been axed off this year’s calendar.

V8 Supercars Australia has today confirmed its final 2010 calendar, which includes the City of Ipswich 300 at Queensland Raceway while omitting the Perth event that had been provisionally scheduled for June 4-6.

In a statement today, acting V8 Supercars Australia CEO Shane Howard said that a resolution could not be reached between V8SA and the Western Australia Sporting Car Club regarding the facilities at the circuit.

“It is great news that we have been able to secure the City of Ipswich 300 but disappointing we have been unable to find a workable solution to the similar issues we have at Barbagallo Raceway,” Howard said.

“We are extremely disappointed for all of our fans in WA. As a group we have worked overtime in trying to get this third world facility re-vamped so that both the Paddock and the pit lane meet basic OH&S legislation.

“Despite a reduced sanction fee of around 25 percent of the actual cost for us to race in Perth, committing to a long-term five-year deal and offering the services of Mark Skaife and our engineers to design the new circuit at our cost, we still get a lip service response.

“The situation is best summed up by a recent seven page letter and subsequent letters that have received just a one paragraph response at best. Our WA fans will at least have the extensive free to view live coverage on the 7 Network.

“Hopefully this opens the door for other regions of Western Australia to approach us with a view to bringing one of the world’s greatest Touring Car Championships to a new destination in the future.”

At the Barbagallo Raceway round last year, talks between V8SA, the WASCC and the WA government were, apparently, progressing well, with plans to extend and refurbish Barbagallo Raceway in advanced stages.

The WASCC was unavailable for comment when contacted by Speedcafe.com.au this evening.

Footballs · PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:20 pm

I almost forgot about barbagello last year so not really fussed if this goes. Only down side is it means we lose a round of V8 Supercars for the year.

racer69 · PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:42 pm

scotty wrote:

The changes they were going to make to it would've made it probably one of the best non-street/road circuits in Australia, so that's disappointing.

And it was already one of the best layouts in Australia anyway. As far as i have been told the updates will be going ahead, one assumes VESA just didn't get totally what they want, so have acted like children (as usual) and thrown their toys out of the pram.

A big shame its another permanent circuit off the calendar, way too many silly street races on it.

With the QLD controversy, the amazing silly Gold Coast announcement this week, and now this, hardly a good PR season for VESA so far in 2010....

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:06 pm

kentrulz wrote:

Fuck you V8SA. :thumbsup:

Assuming he's not outright lying, sounds like it should be fuck you WASCC.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:21 pm

Great, one shitty tracked gets axed then saved, then one good track gets axed....

Any chance of it being saved plz....?

BenAD · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:47 am

If anyone cares, here are the testing times from yesterday at Winton

01 Jason Bargwanna 1:22.723
02 Rick Kelly 1:23.115
03 Mark Winterbottom 1:23.214
04 Jason Bright 1:23.612
05 Paul Dumbrell 1:23.650
06 Steven Richards 1:23.688
07 Tony D'Alberto 1:23.982
08 Michael Caruso 1:24.394
09 Lee Holdsworth 1:24.567
10 Jason Richards 1:24.836

racer69 · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:09 am

Philthy82 wrote:

Assuming he's not outright lying, sounds like it should be fuck you WASCC.

What exactly have they done wrong? Other than not bend over when V8SA said so

The track is fine when any other category wants to go there, its just V8SA that seem to have a problem.... and its a common theme amongst this circus act (look at QR, look what happened at Eastern Creek.... i see a recurring theme here in each debate, and it ain't the tracks)

garbo · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:40 am

Winton Morning

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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1    55  Rod Nash Racing                Paul Dumbrell            Ford Falcon FG       5000         53    20 1:23.9612* 
2     5  Ford Performance Racing        Mark Winterbottom        Ford Falcon FG       5000         38    14 1:24.5395  0:00.5783
3    33  Garry Rogers Motorsport        Lee Holdsworth           Holden Commodore VE  5000         42    20 1:24.5674  0:00.6062
4     6  Ford Performance Racing        Steven Richards          Ford Falcon FG       5000         52    21 1:24.6973  0:00.7361
5     8  Brad Jones Racing              Jason Richards           Holden Commodore VE  5000         63    31 1:24.8484  0:00.8872
6    34  Garry Rogers Motorsport        Michael Caruso           Holden Commodore VE  5000         48    13 1:24.8503  0:00.8891
7     7  Jack Daniels Racing            Rick Kelly               Holden Commodore VE  5000         39    11 1:24.9804  0:01.0192
8    14  Brad Jones Racing              Jason Bright             Holden Commodore VE  5000         53    23 1:24.9868  0:01.0256
9    11  Kelly Racing                   Jason Bargwanna          Holden Commodore VE  5000         49    17 1:25.0914  0:01.1302
10   15  Jack Daniels Racing            Todd Kelly               Holden Commodore VE  5000         30    16 1:25.1786  0:01.2174
11    3  Tony D'Alberto Racing          Tony D'Alberto           Holden Commodore VE  5000         70    45 1:25.2804  0:01.3192
12   16  Kelly Racing                   Dale Wood                Holden Commodore VE  5000         32    21 1:25.9832  0:02.0220
13   30  Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport      Daniel Gaunt             Holden Commodore VE  5000         48    30 1:26.0378  0:02.0766
14   21  Britek Motorsport              Karl Reindler            Holden Commodore VE  5000         59    57 1:26.3011  0:02.3399

Winton Afternoon

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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1    11  Kelly Racing                   Jason Bargwanna          Holden Commodore VE  5000         35    33 1:22.7234R 
2     7  Jack Daniels Racing            Rick Kelly               Holden Commodore VE  5000         59    58 1:23.1154  0:00.3920
3     5  Ford Performance Racing        Mark Winterbottom        Ford Falcon FG       5000         61    58 1:23.2144  0:00.4910
4    14  Brad Jones Racing              Jason Bright             Holden Commodore VE  5000         82    80 1:23.6123  0:00.8889
5    55  Rod Nash Racing                Paul Dumbrell            Ford Falcon FG       5000         52    48 1:23.6501  0:00.9267
6     6  Ford Performance Racing        Steven Richards          Ford Falcon FG       5000         64    59 1:23.6879  0:00.9645
7     3  Tony D'Alberto Racing          Tony D'Alberto           Holden Commodore VE  5000         86    80 1:23.9823  0:01.2589
8    34  Garry Rogers Motorsport        Michael Caruso           Holden Commodore VE  5000         39    13 1:24.3938  0:01.6704
9     8  Brad Jones Racing              Jason Richards           Holden Commodore VE  5000         61    53 1:24.8358  0:02.1124
10   33  Garry Rogers Motorsport        Lee Holdsworth           Holden Commodore VE  5000         27     6 1:24.8473  0:02.1239
11   30  Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport      Daniel Gaunt             Holden Commodore VE  5000         44    35 1:24.9606  0:02.2372
12   21  Britek Motorsport              Karl Reindler            Holden Commodore VE  5000         52    23 1:25.3184  0:02.5950
13   15  Jack Daniels Racing            Todd Kelly               Holden Commodore VE  5000         29     3 1:25.6793  0:02.9559
14   16  Kelly Racing                   Dale Wood                Holden Commodore VE  5000         24    22 1:26.1724  0:03.4490

Queensland Morning (not sure if Johnson Webb is a typo, or that both drove the car)

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Pos Car  Entrant                        Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1    19  Dick Johnson Racing            Johnson Webb             Ford Falcon FG                    43    43 1:11.4251* 
2    51  Castrol Edge Racing            Paul Morris              Holden Commodore VE  5000         64    59 1:11.6085  0:00.1834
3    17  Jim Beam Racing                Steven Johnson           Ford Falcon FG       5000         50    49 1:11.6611  0:00.2360
4     1  Team Vodafone                  Jamie Whincup            Holden Commodore VE  5000         45    23 1:11.6725  0:00.2474
5    39  Supercheap Auto Racing         Russell Ingall           Holden Commodore VE  5000         55    15 1:11.7081  0:00.2830
6   888  Team Vodafone                  Craig Lowndes            Holden Commodore VE  5000         66    21 1:11.7219  0:00.2968
7    18  Jim Beam Racing                James Courtney           Ford Falcon FG       5000         48    12 1:11.7371  0:00.3120
8     9  SP Tolls Racing                Shane Van Gisbergen      Ford Falcon FG       5000         51    51 1:12.2067  0:00.7816
9    12  Bing Lee/Panasonic             Dean Fiore               Ford Falcon FG       5000         25    24 1:12.2233  0:00.7982
10    4  Irwin Tools                    Alex Davison             Ford Falcon FG       5000         49    49 1:12.3804  0:00.9553
11   47  Wilson Security Racing         Tim Slade                Ford Falcon FG       5000         59    27 1:12.6401  0:01.2150
12   66  Phil Foster                    Phil Foster              Holden Commodore VZ  5000         26     3 1:13.2197  0:01.7946
13  112  Todd Fiore                     Todd Fiore               Holden Commodore VE  5000         37    32 1:14.6594  0:03.2343

Queensland Afternoon

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Pos Car  Entrant                        Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL   Laps   Fastest...Lap        Gap

1     9  SP Tolls Racing                Shane Van Gisbergen      Ford Falcon FG       5000         82    78 1:10.7414R 
2    18  Jim Beam Racing                James Courtney           Ford Falcon FG       5000         57    45 1:10.7610r 0:00.0196
3    39  Supercheap Auto Racing         Russell Ingall           Holden Commodore VE  5000         69    55 1:10.8832  0:00.1418
4    19  Dick Johnson Racing            Johnson Webb             Ford Falcon FG                    59    51 1:11.0523  0:00.3109
5    12  Bing Lee/Panasonic             Dean Fiore               Ford Falcon FG       5000         63    62 1:11.1574  0:00.4160
6    17  Jim Beam Racing                Steven Johnson           Ford Falcon FG       5000         71    57 1:11.1655  0:00.4241
7     4  Irwin Tools                    Alex Davison             Ford Falcon FG       5000         85    68 1:11.1818  0:00.4404
8    51  Castrol Edge Racing            Paul Morris              Holden Commodore VE  5000         87    38 1:11.4519  0:00.7105
9    47  Wilson Security Racing         Tim Slade                Ford Falcon FG       5000         59    47 1:11.5614  0:00.8200
10  888  Team Vodafone                  Craig Lowndes            Holden Commodore VE  5000         28    19 1:11.6367  0:00.8953
11    1  Team Vodafone                  Jamie Whincup            Holden Commodore VE  5000         66    45 1:11.7887  0:01.0473
12  112  Todd Fiore                     Todd Fiore               Holden Commodore VE  5000         60    45 1:13.4590  0:02.7176
13   66  Phil Foster                    Phil Foster              Holden Commodore VZ  5000          9     6 1:15.3610  0:04.6196

garbo · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:56 am

Initial reports with the Super Carnivale were wrong, as the main drivers will need to stick to their car in the race, meaning that in two car teams, one of the main drivers will be stuck with (in most cases) an inexperienced international. A problem for the driver ranked 2nd out of Lowndes/Whincup and Tander/Davison come Surfers.

Rules for the SuperCarnivale.
- International drivers will be confirmed and in place by Friday 19th March.
- An international driver test day at Queensland Raceway on Wednesday 20th October.
- A special practice session (internationals only) on the Friday at Surfers for at least 30 minutes.
- Primary driver rule applies at Surfers.
- Fuel tank size will be 120L.
- The co-driver must do at least approx 30% of each race. Exact distance TBC.
- Each team (2 car/1 car) must have an international driver. 3 car teams classed as a 2 car team and a 1 car team.

Some enduro drivers announced
DJR: Warren Luff, Marcus Marshall, David Russell
FPR: James Moffat, Luke Youlden, Dean Canto

dbr12 · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:19 am

Who's Phil Foster

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:41 am

racer69 wrote:

Philthy82 wrote:

Assuming he's not outright lying, sounds like it should be fuck you WASCC.

What exactly have they done wrong? Other than not bend over when V8SA said so

The track is fine when any other category wants to go there, its just V8SA that seem to have a problem.... and its a common theme amongst this circus act (look at QR, look what happened at Eastern Creek.... i see a recurring theme here in each debate, and it ain't the tracks)

Like I said, assuming you take Shane Howard's word as truth, WASCC did nothing to work the situation out. According to this story the two sticking points were "the Paddock and the pit lane meet basic OH&S legislation" and possibly some dispute about sanction fees that are apparently reduced, and the WASCC didn't even make much attempt to negotiate. There's two sides to every story and we've only heard one so far, but already the assumption is big corrupt V8SA squashed the little man. It's a growing sport and facility standards are rising, fucking get used to it.

garbo · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:32 pm

dbr12 wrote:

Who's Phil Foster

A Fujitsu Series driver (same as Todd Fiore).

dbr12 · PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:15 pm

Quote:

A Fujitsu Series driver (same as Todd Fiore).

Oh, Thanks.

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