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Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:23 pm

Both Mortara and Paffett given a 5 place grid penalty suspended for 2 races.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Thanks, and that is as I thought.

So let's hypothesise that Ekstrom was 2kg above the weight limit after the race and that included the 500ml of water poured into his pocket. Surely Audi have a good argument that the water made no difference to the weight limit tests and therefore the DSQ was unwarranted? Or am I being too logical for the DTM?

Woodski · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:07 pm

kals wrote:

Thanks, and that is as I thought.

So let's hypothesise that Ekstrom was 2kg above the weight limit after the race and that included the 500ml of water poured into his pocket. Surely Audi have a good argument that the water made no difference to the weight limit tests and therefore the DSQ was unwarranted? Or am I being too logical for the DTM?

Reports had him between 6 and 7 kg overweight.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:29 pm

Well then, let's hope Audi's appeal overturns this utterly stupid decision. I get the point of the rule and penalty, but the stewards of the meeting and the governing body have the opportunity to use their discretion when considering and applying a penalty.

Fox · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:54 pm

dicksplaash wrote:

They DQ him because someone, who wasn't a member of the team poured some water on the driver's legs. That means by that logic, the driver who finished 2nd could spit the winner in the face and thus making him excluded. Or a bird could show up and shit on them and exclude them both. Sweet.

Great posting

ellis · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:20 pm

So if it rains in Parc Ferme, do they all get DQ and the weekend gets forgotten about?

cookie · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:45 pm

What if he drank the water? is that also not allowed?

Spoiler:

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Is that one of Gary Paffet's crew holding the camera, filming the incident and getting ready to go to the stewards?

codename_47 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:26 pm

Woodski wrote:

kals wrote:

Thanks, and that is as I thought.

So let's hypothesise that Ekstrom was 2kg above the weight limit after the race and that included the 500ml of water poured into his pocket. Surely Audi have a good argument that the water made no difference to the weight limit tests and therefore the DSQ was unwarranted? Or am I being too logical for the DTM?

Reports had him between 6 and 7 kg overweight.

I don't get it...

Surely in Motorsport the cars want to be as light as possible....

Dragging around extra weight is a penalty in itself isn't it?

I get the concept that he was running underweight and the water brought him up to the weight limit...
But he was disqualified for being overweight that...means his car would be slower than those running on the weight limit??

gd49 · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:05 am

codename_47 wrote:

Woodski wrote:

kals wrote:

Thanks, and that is as I thought.

So let's hypothesise that Ekstrom was 2kg above the weight limit after the race and that included the 500ml of water poured into his pocket. Surely Audi have a good argument that the water made no difference to the weight limit tests and therefore the DSQ was unwarranted? Or am I being too logical for the DTM?

Reports had him between 6 and 7 kg overweight.

I don't get it...

Surely in Motorsport the cars want to be as light as possible....

Dragging around extra weight is a penalty in itself isn't it?

I get the concept that he was running underweight and the water brought him up to the weight limit...
But he was disqualified for being overweight that...means his car would be slower than those running on the weight limit??

I think the rule is you can't do anything to alter a drivers weight in parc ferme, adding or taking away. Clearly in this case it wouldn't make a difference, but I think its an important principle to enforce.

ptclaus98 · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:33 am

kals wrote:

dicksplaash wrote:

They DQ him because someone, who wasn't a member of the team poured some water on the driver's legs.

I wondered whether the person who poured the water in Ekstrom's pockets was actually from Mercedes.

I get the logic and purpose of the rule, but the execution this time round seems incredibly dumb. What does 500ml of water weigh anyhow?

I would say 500 grams.

Metzo · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:24 pm

possible return to dijon for 2014
http://www.motorsport-total.com/dtm/new ... 71602.html

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:32 pm

gd49 wrote:

I think the rule is you can't do anything to alter a drivers weight in parc ferme, adding or taking away. Clearly in this case it wouldn't make a difference, but I think its an important principle to enforce.

And thinking about it, you don't know what else they might have have placed in that water bottle. Looks like he's pouring just water in his pocket but who's to say a few small heavy weights hadn't been slipped into the waterbottle before hand?

ChiliFan · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:47 am

Disappointed that nobody has referred to this 'scandal' as "Water-gate".

kals · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:32 pm

Gaara wrote:

gd49 wrote:

I think the rule is you can't do anything to alter a drivers weight in parc ferme, adding or taking away. Clearly in this case it wouldn't make a difference, but I think its an important principle to enforce.

And thinking about it, you don't know what else they might have have placed in that water bottle. Looks like he's pouring just water in his pocket but who's to say a few small heavy weights hadn't been slipped into the waterbottle before hand?

Would you really try to cheat in such an obvious way in full view of everyone around you? In that case Ekstrom should have just been handed a 5kg weight and put it around his neck.

Gaara · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:29 pm

People will do anything to try and cheat. A teammate crashing and bringing out an SC after the other driver makes a pitstop. Water in the tyres. Turbos on the cars, ala Toyota in WRC.

Cheeveer · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:14 pm

ChiliFan wrote:

Disappointed that nobody has referred to this 'scandal' as "Water-gate".

We are all terribly sorry. I for one feel very ashamed.

So anyhow, when is Ekström's win going to get reinstated? Decision can't wait for ever.

kals · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:16 pm

Gaara wrote:

People will do anything to try and cheat. A teammate crashing and bringing out an SC after the other driver makes a pitstop. Water in the tyres. Turbos on the cars, ala Toyota in WRC.

Yes but in the examples you've given, there was some form of subtly to attempt to hide the cheating. In this case, there isn't.

Echti · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:12 pm

dicksplaash wrote:

So anyhow, when is Ekström's win going to get reinstated? Decision can't wait for ever.

Won't happen. It was a clear parc ferme infringement. Ekström getting his win back would be the actual scandal.

Fish88 · PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:28 pm

Anyone know why his father did it?

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