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RIP Dan...
You are legend!

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What I was trying to get at earlier was that people who know nothing about this other than "a guy that drove racecars is dead" are looking at this and thinking that the $5 million prize somehow motivated Dan to do something stupid that he normally wouldn't do. Ok, so suddenly because of the money, a guy who won the Indy 500 twice now thinks he can win a 300 mile race in the first 20 laps? It's just a convenient way to try and move the discussion towards the topic of money and greed, the media loves that shit.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95479


I couldn't agree more with the final sentence

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Another thing:

I know some of you are going to disagree with me here, but thank god we're rid of that fucking shitbox Dallara once and for all. That car was the biggest piece of shit ever.

While I realize that any car can get airborne at such high speeds, the fucking Dallara was made for it. How many times have we seen that thing take off?

Watch this and ask yourself: Would the Dallara have stayed on the ground? If you answer yes, you're lying to yourself.

Oh, ok, I see. So they never mentioned that he won the Indy 500 this year or had 1 other time previously?

Either way, what a PR disaster.

No they mentioned his wins, the Indy 500 is something most people have at least heard of. My point was that he knows that races aren't won on the first lap, or even the first half of the race. He didn't get himself into an accident because he was making dangerous moves on his quest for cash, he was caught up in a crash someone else started and had basically no chance to avoid.

Someone who knows nothing about racing isn't going to take any of that into account.

RIP Dan

Coming up bed time for me, been such a sad day, I hope I get some sleep

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Awful times for Susie

Never ever thought I'd say this, but thank you Anthony Davidson.

Tearing apart the myth that the $5 million challenge was the cause of the accident or Wheldon's involvement in it.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049949/Dan-Wheldon-crash-video-IndyCar-champion-dead-15-car-pile-Las-Vegas.html

Pretty tasteless article.

WARNING: Photos depicting a fatal crash.

And some pretty tasteless comments too.

Wouldn't expect anything less from the DM and their readers. Pure scum.

How awful.

For me, this whole experience took me right back to 1999 and how I was feeling then, so I can't begin to imagine how terrible it would have been for Greg's dad.



Legard obviously doesn't know anything about IndyCar, typical BBC to bring in their usual "face" who's not an expert on anything. It's likely he wouldn't have even known this race was going on until he had to talk about the sad news. Can't remember if it was the presenter or him, but one of the idiots seemed to suggest Dan storming up from the back could have had something to do with it... when clearly Dan just lost out in the game of Russian Roulette this horrible IRL pack racing is.



These people are fucking criminal to write such things...



How dare they suggest Dan had anything to do with starting this accident?!

I have the misfortune of my parents reading the Daily Mail, so occasionally I look at it, and anything to do with racing is always sensationalist and ill-informed garbage.

I was wondering a couple of things... What's the status of the race? Is it abandoned? Cancelled? Delete the laps done like at Loudon? After all in an event like this, any other serious organisation would simply give points or half-points, regardless of how little everyone cares about it. There's been a tragedy, but IndyCar seems to act slowly.

And on a more reflective note... IndyCars are not made for these tracks, at least not in this configuration. OK, so we get photo-finishes? Yeah, but we get cars airborne every year, too, and cars are as safe as possible, but you can't save a 180 mph missile with the roll-bar into poles and catch fencing.

Speed is a problem but perhaps if these cars had to brake into oval corners we would not get pack racing and therefore there'd be much more room for everyone. CART cars ran at almost 250 mph at Michigan and Fontana, yet few crashes stemmed from the circumstances. Greg Moore would be here with us if not for the grass and asphalt, something that's been corrected at all ovals.

This is open-wheel racing and cars will get airborne in the future, it happens in F1, in GP2, in Indy and everywhere. But if we let them drivers have a few more seconds to react by allowing fields to spread a little, we will allow them to try and save crashes.

Looking at another case, Franchitti's flip at Michigan 2007. It happened because guys had to jostle for position to get a tow, because cars did not have enough power on their own. Compare it to the Hanford device used in CART in the 2000s, and I can't remember a flip in one of those races.

What I'm trying to say is that, there's another way of doing things, there's another way of having a show on ovals, and there are other ovals more suited to these cars. The 2012 car might have its rear wheels protected, but pointy racecars bunched up in groups of 30 will still find a way to get airborne if things go wrong.

FFS

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Rest in Peace Dan.
It must be a very difficult time to his family, I know how it is to lose your father at an early age.

He died because of head injuries?

Without speculating on the actual injuries, Randy Bernard did describe them as "unsurvivable". The missing roll-hoop tells you all you need to know.



Totally agree with your whole post.

And with low quoted power figures of 550hp for ovals it seems IndyCar are still planning on having pack racing.

The Dallara does have a problem with getting airborne of its own accord, but this accident, like many others, was more to do with the manufactured pack racing at unsuitable ovals... the resulting contact would make any car fly. They need to go back to the CART style of oval racing.

i see everything yesterday, but i don't posting here or everywhere, 'cause i believe it was a nightmare...but i'm wake and no, it's reality. I can't believe it happened. I always thinking i will never see a fatal crash anymore... I so disgusted, angry and incredibely sad...Why?

All my thoughts go to Dan's Family.

You will miss us, Dan. You're always a Champ' in our hearts.

Adieu, Champion. Tu nous manqueras terriblement!

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Terrible and tragic day for the whole motorsport world!

Just think how many fatal or very serious crashes occur when you go into the catch fence - Krosnoff, Renna, now Wheldon, but also Brack, Briscoe, Conway, Bodine...
It's maybe not the right time, but they have done so much for the safety on the ovals already - maybe the next step is to think of something that could replace those fences.

RIP Dan, forever in our memory!