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A) There is a difference between "driving around the issues presented to you" and defending your position with a terminally ill car. You keep on bringing up JEV and Perez, who were both probably trying to keep their cars off the racing line as much as possible and doing what they could to get out of other driver's way and back to the pits. Suranovich was repeatedly shown the black and orange flag. He repeatedly ignored them, and continued the race with a car deemed by race officials to be terminally damaged.

And Jean Alesi will be racing on a real goddamn track tomorrow. He'll have no choice but to let people past and if he becomes a nuisance, he'll be sent to the garage. And Jean isn't an asshole, either. In the same situation he'd have most likely been in the pits at first chance. Like most racing drivers with half a brain would do.

His driving wasn't overly bad if he had a car that could be controlled under normal racing conditions(i.e. raced in any line, defensive or normal racing line). He was probably in the middle of the track because the amount of steering input needed from the exit of the tunnel to the chicane, though not much, would have been enough to send him round.

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Well, isn't this a fun little argument;

Suranovich has been excluded btw:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99922

Poor driving has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, it is amazing that the kid was able to hold onto it as he did. The point is that if you can see that sort of defensive driving with a terminally damaged car as acceptable, you don't have the mentality consistent with what I'd see as safe, whether it's karts or club racing or whatever.

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A mad Russian blocking everything behind him?

Sounds like any iRacing race, really.

...and that's just your opinion PT. We clearly both have different understandings of safety but, like I said before we'll agree to disagree and just leave it at that. No more assumption based insults when you've no clue about my background please.

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Maybe Boney M had it right.

And let it be known that I think Conor could have just backed off and let things play out by letting the series take care of it or by letting Suranovich make a mistake that must have surely been in the making. And that along with him knocking the wing off(alledgedly, still haven't seen if that was the case)is the blame he shares in the incident. But it really pales in comparison to the things Suranovich did.

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That's the problem though, Daly knew he had to get past because suddenly there were a lot of cars on his tail as Suranovich slowed with the missing rear wing. Do you sit behind someone so slow but being very defensive and risk going backwards yourself or try to find a way past.

It's not an insult. It's the truth. I wouldn't feel safe around you on a given track, and I wouldn't feel safe if any of my family or friends were on track with you, either. I don't care how talented you are at peddling a car. A damaged car will in most cases win out over even the greatest of drivers. That's why the race officials have those black and orange flags which they use at their discretion. And they said that he should be off the track and he ignored them.


Quit making this about a talent or credentials issue. It's a maturity issue and when the people charged with track safety are ignored by one of the drivers they are trying to keep safe, and people see merit in that, I have a problem with that. And I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can just say agree to disagree on it. Why shouldn't Suranovich have pulled off the track when he got the black and orange flag?

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That is tricky on his end, but at the end of the day do you take your chances on such a tight track on a low percentage move, or do you focus on getting to the end of the race with your car intact? He was thinking go though.

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lol at your assumptions. This has nothing to do with talent or credibility, you're on your own with that one. You picked up a brush off remark I made to Ian-S and made it something it wasn't. Read what you're writing. At least have an understanding that you are being insulting based on assumptions YOU are making and realise that the only maturity that is in question right now, is yours.

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Formula Fun Cup Champion 2013
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To be more explicit, the smart thing a smart driver does is:

Your car is too slow and somebody is up your ass? Choose one side of the race track and stick to it. If they're fast enough to go by, let them go and don't fight back.

Stuck behind someone who can crash out at any second? Don't put yourself in the one single spot where you will be taken out for sure with him, i.e. two inches from his gearbox.

Common sense people. They had all the time to think it through. They both decided to drive like assholes and it would be hilarious if it weren't for the endangered lives of some of the most dedicated firemen/marshalls in the world.

This is what I'm basing my whole argument on.

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Oh right, fair enough. I'd steer clear of most track days then because a fair few of us have the same opinion.

I won't say anything more because I've already said enough and repeated my "let's agree to disagree" point too many times. And I haven't been insulting either...

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Bullshit.

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Pray tell. Or are you referring to the joke I made to Phil which I then apologised for?

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I'm talking about the times you made vague references to credentials as all the rest of us are nothing but little peons.

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Oh come on now. Seriously? I'm sorry buddy but that's pathetic.

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I don't want nor need your pity. I want to know how you can justify ignoring black and orange flags, and where I can find all these racers that think doing so, and driving defensively by doing thus, is an acceptable course of action at any level of racing.

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This is just a small thing, but I was under the impression that he had only been given the B/O flag one lap before the crash, meaning that he could still carry on for a couple more laps should he wish.