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I was at this race and it was simply amazing! I kept an eye on the large tv screens around the track to see what was being shown nationally. They missed alot of 3 and even 4 wide racing back in the 2nd pack during the middle of the race when it was a 5 or 6 car breakaway. All in all it was awesome and next year under the lights should be even better!


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Again, it must be said, what a race!!!

Easily the best this year with some crazy moments of three wide racing for the lead and closely bunched driving.

And what a finish!!!
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Ooops... talking of which...

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IndyCar » Finale result glitch to prompt timing review.
Tuesday, 9th September 2008


IRL officials have revealed that an incorrectly-placed timing transponder initially gave Scott Dixon vitory in the season finale at Chicagoland Speedway.

The Indy Racing League has said that it will be reviewing and checking the positioning of transponders fitted to its competing cars in a bid to prevent the embarrassing mix-up over who had actually won Sunday's IndyCar Series finale at Chicagoland Speedway.

An initial review of timing and scoring systems after the race showed that the transponder on Scott Dixon's #9 Target Chip Ganassi Racing car had been improperly installed, resulting in the Kiwi being shown in top spot on the results display, rather than race winner Helio Castroneves, who the naked eye had suggested had won. A review of photos from the league's state-of-the-art high-speed camera subsequently revealed that the Brazilian had edged Dixon by 0.0033 of a second - the equivalent of about twelve inches - in the second-closest margin of victory in IndyCar Series history.

“The improperly installed transponder clearly affected the data we were receiving from Dixon's car,” said director of timing and scoring Jon Koskey, “With the signal going the wrong direction, it could have bounced off of any number of things and made it difficult for the antenna to pick up an accurate signal. Because there's always the possibility of electronic equipment failing and the possibility of human error, we have multiple systems in place to insure the accuracy of the data.”

The league's high-tech timing and scoring system is one of the few in motorsports that scores to ten-thousandths of a second - the Australian V8 Supercar series being another - and the manufacturer claims a system tolerance of 0.0006secs for each crossing.

Backing up the system is a high-speed camera, which takes a picture every ten-thousandth of a second, recording all start-finish line passings. The league acquired the S/F camera in 2004 as a back-up to the electronic system and uses it after every race to verify the finishing order of all cars. It also is used throughout the race to check close crossings. Additionally, two high-frame-rate cameras connected to a digital video system record video evidence of all start-finish line passings.

Immediately after the conclusion of Sunday's PEAK Antifreeze & Motor Oil 300, the camera operator informed race stewards that the photos showed Castroneves' car in the lead, prompting competitions president Brian Barnhart to review the images and confirm the Team Penske driver as the winner.

“We've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in this system since 2001 to make sure our timing systems are accurate and provide the officiating staff with the information necessary to make good judgment calls such as this,” Barnhart said.

“The primary system includes three parts comprised of a radio transponder mounted in the same location on each car, multiple detection loop antennas buried under the track and timing decoder units that decipher the transponder signals as it crosses the antenna. We back up that system with the start/finish line camera and secondary electronic systems.

“We use the high-speed camera to review the finishing order of every car at every race. It's not always that close between the top two cars, but we have close finishes further back in the field all of the time.”

The league has confirmed that the positioning of transponders is likely to become a part of the weekend's technical eligibility checks from the 2009 season.

I'm amazed that this wasnt a scruiteering check already. :whistling:


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CART 1997 was best ever :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
2000 and 1993 were just as good imo


1995 was quite good.


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Did anyone cap any of the 3 wide running?


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DOWNFORCE :eyecrazy:

srsly

Besides, at this point, who isn't anesthetized to finishes like that? You see them like five times a year, and they're all pretty much the same.


Yeah, Michigan 2000 is so shouted about because it was so rare, two guys risking it all for the win, not two guys stuck side by side cos their cars had stalled out....


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codename_47 wrote:
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DOWNFORCE :eyecrazy:

srsly

Besides, at this point, who isn't anesthetized to finishes like that? You see them like five times a year, and they're all pretty much the same.


Yeah, Michigan 2000 is so shouted about because it was so rare, two guys risking it all for the win, not two guys stuck side by side cos their cars had stalled out....
Slingshot passing is the best. Its a shame that it never happens anymore.


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So the problem is we're getting good racing now?


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I think its a question of tase of you like close side by side racing or handford wing racing. I like both but i think that this packracing as we saq it in chicagoland is one reason drivers think Indycar Racing would be dangerous.

But it was an epic race. Glad to have it on DVD.


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I like both, but the people complained the IRL races are all flat out - but so were the Handford races. The only difference was the Handford meant you couldn't run side by side, you just sling-shotted for the entire race.


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ellis wrote:
So the problem is we're getting good racing now?


The problem for me (watching it on the "Honda Leader Cam" on the IRL site this became most obvious...) is watching the cars get a hell of a tow off each other then getting side by side and becoming completely stuck...
I wish they would turn down the downforce just a notch because when you get such momentum on the guy in front you deserve to at least edge past him, not get hung side by side because your car stalls out of the draft.


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I like both, but the people complained the IRL races are all flat out - but so were the Handford races. The only difference was the Handford meant you couldn't run side by side, you just sling-shotted for the entire race.
yeah that is the point

Though I liked the racing pre-Handford even more.


+1, though obviously I never got to see it live.

Sadly though I think the cars have evolved past the point of safe, unrestricted oval racing, so it's a question of "what is the best comprimise!"

The IRL Downforce+++ isn't the way of doing it, Handford was along the right lines but not exactly ideal....what next, restrictor plates!? :(


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So the problem is we're getting good racing now?

The racing blows.


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Pre-Handford IndyCar/CART speedway races were the best. A good balance of the ability to slingshot and still not being guaranteed a run on somebody from way behind.

The biggest problems with having so much downforce in the current cars:

1) You get a pretty good draft, but the momentum dies very quickly once out of the draft
2) The grip level in the corners is so high that it's hard for either the inside or outside line to ever gain anything resembling an advantage, and you can stick completely on the inside line entering and exiting the corner, forcing extended periods of side by side racing where nobody can actually complete a pass. If you have to use up more of the racetrack to get through the corner, you'll see more actual strategy and completed passes and less of the leader just holding the bottom and the second place guy being forced to just try to make a move to the outside.


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I'm glad people are back to tell us we didn't actually enjoy the race. That was my favorite part of the old forum.


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I'm glad sarcasm is being used in every post! :thumbsup:

I'm also glad people accept what is served up to them without realising things could and should be much better... :thumbsup:


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Just because I (and others) enjoyed this doesn't mean we don't realize that things could be much better. Don't make that assumption. To be honest, I am very fed up with the way the IRL oval racing has gone the past few years. But I just happened to think this race was much better than most of the other oval races this year. ;)


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Chris A wrote:
Just because I (and others) enjoyed this doesn't mean we don't realize that things could be much better. Don't make that assumption. To be honest, I am very fed up with the way the IRL oval racing has gone the past few years. But I just happened to think this race was much better than most of the other oval races this year. ;)


It's true, if you think of what the IRL wants as it's oval racing product (Pack racing, cars 2 by 2 by 2 with occasional 3 wide) then this was the only race where they managed to achieve it long term...the others the downforce provided a hinderance to the cars getting close.
I guess they'll be looking at that over in the off season.

The only reason I'm in here whining about it is I no longer can ignore it in favour of being in my own thread whining about fuel saving instead.
So if that annoys you, like everything else, BLAME TONY GEORGE! :lol:


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I don't care who's at fault anymore. I'm hoping to eventually find myself giving someone credit for fixing it rather than endlessly whining about the guy who fucked it over in the first place.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:22 am 
It's an irrelevant point about the race being particularly close compared to other ovals. Chicagoland always produces close races like this, or at least it has since I've been following - it's closer to Texas than the other ovals


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