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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:42 pm 
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Ferrari wrote:
Izod could terminate IndyCar contract early

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Sources familiar with the deal said if certain metrics concerning number of races held annually, TV ratings, attendance and car count among other things aren’t met, there are triggers in the contract that will allow Izod to decrease its financial pay-out or opt out of the contract all together.

http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2009/11/06 ... post/11019


ROFL people will do anything to put a negative spin on a story.
Virtually all contracts since the 1960's have had performance triggers in them, this isn't exactly something new or exclusive to the IRL :lol:
I bet even Sprint as one with Nascar, and it's the same kind of trigger ITV used to get out of their F1 contract last year, and ING with Renault this year.


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Well if they signed on this time last year and watched the ratings tank on Versus I'd be worried the ratings would trigger one of them clauses..
But IZOD have had a year of IRL on Versus to be fully aware of the stellar numbers they are pulling in...

The only real question mark is how much the attendances will go down without Malboro, though you never know, IZOD could make red caps too ;)


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If IndyCar continues to score the same ratings with attendance/car count problems in next 2-3 years. I believe you'll see IZOD optout.

IRL management needs step it up over the next three seasons. Honda contract expires at end of 2011. Versus can optout at end of 2012. IZOD can optout at anytime.


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Ferrari wrote:
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Anyone know what will happen with AGR? Will there be two teams with two cars each?


AGR will remain a four car team with Andretti, Patrick, RHR, and Kanaan. Though I assume the team will be renamed, "Andretti Racing."


Hunter-reay? :o No Montagny? F1 is out fot him!

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Gauthier wrote:
Hunter-reay? :o No Montagny? F1 is out fot him!
I believe Montagny is looking at getting an F1 ride with one of the new teams, he's been mentioned with USF1.

Hunter-reay will end up at Andretti Racing & be taking IZOD sponsorship to replace the Formula Dream deal Mutoh is taking with him.

Most recent speculation has Mutoh & Formula Dream in a 2nd Newman/Haas/Lanigan car. Alex Lloyd is likely to get a 3rd N/H/L car if he's able to put a sponsorship deal together.


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JV and Montagny would be a good team for USF1. No American drivers please...


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Brian Barnhart on the possibility of having more that 1 chassis manufacturers with the new car:

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“We're not opposed to opening things up, as one business model would show it,” when asked whether additional manufacturers would be permitted. “And we're also not opposed to staying with an exclusive supplier on the chassis side,” he added. “We're just going to try to measure both of those out right now before making a decision on which way to go, on which would be the best financial way to go.”


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Take your time. You have only been using the same Dallara chassis design for 7 seasons. Though it's been slightly modfied since the original Dallara IR-03.


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Well they should take their time, look what happened with A1GP's new chassis.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:14 pm 
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Well they should take their time, look what happened with A1GP's new chassis.


well jeez, might as well push the new car back to 2013 or 2014 then


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Take your time. You have only been using the same Dallara chassis design for 7 seasons. Though it's been slightly modfied since the original Dallara IR-03.


Because upgrading from tried and tested cars always turns our great, as A1GP and CCWS know.


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ellis wrote:
Because upgrading from tried and tested cars always turns our great, as A1GP and CCWS know.


The Dallara is shit on road/street courses. It needs to go. If you want stick with tried and tested cars that put on good show, You might as well bring out the Reynards from the mid-late 90s.


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I wish people would understand that you can't just bring old chassis out like that. All of the Reynards have a ridiculous amount of track time on them, and really have no place on circuits anymore. The Dallara chassis has proven it can provide great racing when the governing body fixes the rules. You can bring out some 10 year old run down chassis if you want, but if the rules aren't setup for good racing, they won't provide it.


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A development team or two for a new chassis would be a safer option than having the entire field as development teams.

But they're idiots so they'll give the entire field a new chassis.


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ellis wrote:
I wish people would understand that you can't just bring old chassis out like that. All of the Reynards have a ridiculous amount of track time on them, and really have no place on circuits anymore. The Dallara chassis has proven it can provide great racing when the governing body fixes the rules. You can bring out some 10 year old run down chassis if you want, but if the rules aren't setup for good racing, they won't provide it.


The Dallara has never provided decent racing, it has provided boring racing or artificial racing.

They need to go back to giving the drivers racing machines not entertainment devices.


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codename_47 wrote:
ellis wrote:
I wish people would understand that you can't just bring old chassis out like that. All of the Reynards have a ridiculous amount of track time on them, and really have no place on circuits anymore. The Dallara chassis has proven it can provide great racing when the governing body fixes the rules. You can bring out some 10 year old run down chassis if you want, but if the rules aren't setup for good racing, they won't provide it.


The Dallara has never provided decent racing, it has provided boring racing or artificial racing.

They need to go back to giving the drivers racing machines not entertainment devices.


Sorry, but BS. The same people who call the Dallara artificial are the same people who would spunk all over the Reynard if it provided exactly the same racing - which it did at Michigan and Fontana.


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ellis wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
ellis wrote:
I wish people would understand that you can't just bring old chassis out like that. All of the Reynards have a ridiculous amount of track time on them, and really have no place on circuits anymore. The Dallara chassis has proven it can provide great racing when the governing body fixes the rules. You can bring out some 10 year old run down chassis if you want, but if the rules aren't setup for good racing, they won't provide it.


The Dallara has never provided decent racing, it has provided boring racing or artificial racing.

They need to go back to giving the drivers racing machines not entertainment devices.


Sorry, but BS. The same people who call the Dallara artificial are the same people who would spunk all over the Reynard if it provided exactly the same racing - which it did at Michigan and Fontana.


Only in the later years when they stupidly decided to copy the IRL format...
Even then with push to pass they could actually make a pass and not get hung side by side....the only time I can remember CC having that trouble was the second Lauzitz race where they made them run in Road Course spec...


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codename_47 wrote:
ellis wrote:
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The Dallara has never provided decent racing, it has provided boring racing or artificial racing.

They need to go back to giving the drivers racing machines not entertainment devices.


Sorry, but BS. The same people who call the Dallara artificial are the same people who would spunk all over the Reynard if it provided exactly the same racing - which it did at Michigan and Fontana.


Only in the later years when they stupidly decided to copy the IRL format...
Even then with push to pass they could actually make a pass and not get hung side by side....the only time I can remember CC having that trouble was the second Lauzitz race where they made them run in Road Course spec...


98-00 wasn't "the later years"! The Handford was the first of "artificial" racing, and they then introduced push to pass and tyre management rules. But yet people claim the Dallara is artificial, whilst looking back with rose tints on CCWS?

Christ, IRL has a lot of things wrong with it, but now days people are just picking apart the tiniest thing to have a go at, whilst happily pleading ignorance for CARTs similar 'crimes'.


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You could pass with the Handford....there was strategy involved and it required a modicum of talent behind the wheel.

Since it allowed the cars a killer slipstream it wasn't just all "foot to the floor, hog the inside line, no-one else has the power or aero freedom to get buy so this is pretty much it for the race" racing.

I'm sorry that racing bothering me bothers you, but that's just the way I see it.

Ed freaking Carpenter nearly won a race this year, that shows you all you need to know.


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It's not as if Carpenter had never won anything in his life before then, he's no Milka Duno or Hiro Matsushita.

It doesn't show all you need to know, his whole team got a good car on track that day from the get go while others struggled. It happens.


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