GP2/GP2 Asia/GP3 2008 Discussion

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:39 am

di grassi was actually pretty even with pantano if you count all the dumb stuff pantano had happen to him, senna arguably was better than pantano and had a lot of dumb shit happen to him too but i'd only take him over di grassi since i think he still has a lot of upside since he's only been racing cars for like three years now or something like that, but he would definitely be the worst of any of the current GP2 graduates in F1.

noikeee · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:45 am

JB-F1 wrote:

What drivers do you know of that have won races and titles in cars that don't suit them?

Kimi Raikkonen, 2007 Formula 1 World Championship.

Just for the record.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:46 am

by the way, RtN, Piquet Jr. has actually won 5 GP2 races

2005 spa feature
2006 valencia feature
2006 hungary feature
2006 hungary sprint
2006 turkey feature

JB-F1 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:47 am

2005 F3 Euroseries

1) Hamilton - 172
2) Sutil - 94 (despite not racing in the last 2 rounds)
3) di Grassi - 68
4) Perera - 67
5) Vettel - 63

OK, so Lewis and Sutil were in their 2nd years of the Euroseries, but they still blew him and everyone else out of the water, and he was still only a point ahead of Franck Perera, who couldn't even win the Atlantics. And he only just beat Kubica at Macau, and he hadn't even stepped into an F3 car for a year

noikeee · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:47 am

Lasek99 wrote:

by the way, RtN, Piquet Jr. has actually won 5 GP2 races

2005 spa feature
2006 valencia feature
2006 hungary feature
2006 hungary sprint
2006 turkey feature

Errrrm, that's exactly what he said.

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:47 am

Di Grassi's 3 years in GP2 probably gave him an advantage over Senna, but Pantano had 6 years in F3000\GP2 and 3/4 of a year in F1. He should've absolutely caned everyone else and he didn't.

I wasn't expecting Di Grassi to do much, and he really surprised me. Yes, he was the number one developer of the new car, but nothing substitutes for real race experience which he had less of in that car than the other title contenders. I was certainly not expecting him to win 3 times.

noikeee wrote:

Lasek99 wrote:

by the way, RtN, Piquet Jr. has actually won 5 GP2 races

2005 spa feature
2006 valencia feature
2006 hungary feature
2006 hungary sprint
2006 turkey feature

Errrrm, that's exactly what he said.

I originally said 4 each- I didn't bother to look at 2005, and he did get a win. So there we are.

JB-F1 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:49 am

RtN wrote:

Di Grassi's 3 years in GP2 probably gave him an advantage over Senna, but Pantano had 6 years in F3000\GP2 and 3/4 of a year in F1. He should've absolutely caned everyone else and he didn't.

Maybe that's because he's not that great. Why else aren't the F1 teams taking an interest whereas they did with Glock?

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:50 am

noikeee wrote:

Lasek99 wrote:

by the way, RtN, Piquet Jr. has actually won 5 GP2 races

2005 spa feature
2006 valencia feature
2006 hungary feature
2006 hungary sprint
2006 turkey feature

Errrrm, that's exactly what he said.

oh, for some reason i thought he said they both had 4

another interesting stat i discovered was that piquet actually had 4 poles in 2006 to hamiltons 1, kind of weird considering how much it seems like hamilton dominated that season

ryan86 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:51 am

I can see where the Pantano argument will go. Refer to my previous comments for my thoughts on this. :lol:

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:51 am

JB-F1 wrote:

RtN wrote:

Di Grassi's 3 years in GP2 probably gave him an advantage over Senna, but Pantano had 6 years in F3000\GP2 and 3/4 of a year in F1. He should've absolutely caned everyone else and he didn't.

Maybe that's because he's not that great. Why else aren't the F1 teams taking an interest whereas they did with Glock?

I know that.Pantano was certainly worst of the three.

I'm undecided on Di Grassi\Senna, though. Really want a Barrichello\Senna partnership at Honda to see where Bruno stacks up.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:52 am

RtN wrote:

Di Grassi's 3 years in GP2 probably gave him an advantage over Senna, but Pantano had 6 years in F3000\GP2 and 3/4 of a year in F1. He should've absolutely caned everyone else and he didn't.

I wasn't expecting Di Grassi to do much, and he really surprised me. Yes, he was the number one developer of the new car, but nothing substitutes for real race experience which he had less of in that car than the other title contenders. I was certainly not expecting him to win 3 times.

The fact that either of them can be compared to Pantano at all should really spell it out for them that they aren't great. Pantano rarely ever gave Hamilton, Glock, or Piquet a problem in 2006 except for when Glock was driving the BCN.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:54 am

RtN wrote:

JB-F1 wrote:

RtN wrote:

Di Grassi's 3 years in GP2 probably gave him an advantage over Senna, but Pantano had 6 years in F3000\GP2 and 3/4 of a year in F1. He should've absolutely caned everyone else and he didn't.

Maybe that's because he's not that great. Why else aren't the F1 teams taking an interest whereas they did with Glock?

I know that.Pantano was certainly worst of the three.

I'm undecided on Di Grassi\Senna, though. Really want a Barrichello\Senna partnership at Honda to see where Bruno stacks up.

Senna gets the nod since he has a lot more progress to make in terms of driving and they were clearly both pretty even if you use Pantano and each of their teammates as a yardstick.

JB-F1 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:00 am

I get the impression Bruno would adapt quite quickly, given his past track record of starting well. His problem is he tends to fade away towards the end of seasons - he's done it in both years of GP2 and in British F3 before that

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:03 am

Can't disagree with that.

I know that Di Grassi isn't going to be the next big thing. He would've shown if he was by now. But I do get the feeling that he would be more reliable than Piquet. Nelsinho's had a very weird year- he's had races where he's been one of the top 3 in the field (Japan, France, Germany), races where he's been there or thereabouts (Britain, Malaysia, Hungary) but for the rest of the time he's been nowhere. And it could be the thing that costs him his seat.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:08 am

His qualifying has majorly improved since the first third of the season, and I think he also did a really good job in China.

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:11 am

He did get 8th.

As I said earlier, it will probably come down to what mood Flavio's in when the day comes to decide who his number two driver is.

JB-F1 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:21 am

It would be very short-sighted just to plain get rid of him considering one of the 2 title contenders was in the exact same position as Nelson is right now in 2002, and look how much he's improved

RtN · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:23 am

JB-F1 wrote:

It would be very short-sighted just to plain get rid of him considering one of the 2 title contenders was in the exact same position as Nelson is right now in 2002, and look how much he's improved

I wouldn't, but I'm not Flavio Briatore.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:24 am

Piquet is definitely F1 caliber. Is he a definite WDC? No, but I'm sure if he got in a top 2 car he'd get a few wins.

Shaddix · PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:41 pm

Mortara testing for Trident and Arden:

Quote:

Mortara to test for Arden, Trident

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, October 28th 2008, 15:14 GMT

Formula 3 Euro Series championship runner-up Edoardo Mortara is to test for GP2 teams Trident Racing and Arden later this week.

The French-Italian is scheduled to run for Trident at Jerez on Wednesday, before trying out the Arden machine the following day.

"I'm very much looking forward to having the chance to test a GP2 car, which will be a brand new experience for me," said Mortara. "I'd like to thank Volkswagen for giving me permission to do the test, which is very much appreciated along with all the rest of their support throughout the season.

"At the moment I am assessing different options for 2009, and I hope that this new experience of different cars and teams in Jerez will give me some useful knowledge for the future."

After his test in Jerez, Mortara will travel to Macau for the F3 Grand Prix which takes place on November 16.

But the thing I find more interesting, Davide Rigon, the revelation of the SF is testing with Campos (acording to the Dutch gpupdate.net)

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