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IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
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Author:  Metzo [ Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
what a bad series
Author:  tick-tock [ Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
If only the "merger" saw the IRL teams adopt the ex-CC Panoz... there are great teams and drivers in IndyCar, but that counts for nothing when they have to use such a shit, ugly, dated, and uninspiring package. Get the future sorted now and listen to what the fans want!
Author:  StefMeister [ Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
CART fan wrote:
IRL inaugural pole time is 2 seconds slower than CART's inaugural pole time in 1986 :o
For other comparissons. Fastest time of this weekend was Dario's pole time of 1:01.0249.

Bourdais 2007 Pole Time was 58.288.

All time lap record at Toronto was De Ferran's 1999 pole time 57.143, I think.


Current cars generate plenty of downforce so im guessing the big gap is mostly down to power, or relative lack there-of.

In 1999 De Ferran had what, 950+Bhp in qualifying on high boost, today's Honda has 650-675Bhp which isn't enough. Whatever they have next should have at least 800Bhp in my opinion.
Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
StefMeister wrote:
CART fan wrote:
IRL inaugural pole time is 2 seconds slower than CART's inaugural pole time in 1986 :o
For other comparissons. Fastest time of this weekend was Dario's pole time of 1:01.0249.

Bourdais 2007 Pole Time was 58.288.

All time lap record at Toronto was De Ferran's 1999 pole time 57.143, I think.


Current cars generate plenty of downforce so im guessing the big gap is mostly down to power, or relative lack there-of.

In 1999 De Ferran had what, 950+Bhp in qualifying on high boost, today's Honda has 650-675Bhp which isn't enough. Whatever they have next should have at least 800Bhp in my opinion.


Plus all the downforce is going to generate nothing but drag on the straights...
It wouldn't suprise me to see the IRL cars are losing something like a second to a Champcar just on the straight alone but making a slight bit back in the corners...
Author:  Tony03 [ Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Wilson and Franchitti do great things this year it seems. :)

IndyCar Series is great, I miss this series on French TV...
Author:  Gaara [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
That was actually a good race.
Author:  bigears [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Sounds like a very eventful race, I hope we will see some videos soon.
Author:  Gaara [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
If you want there's highlights on the Indycar site.
Author:  nickthemassacre [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
great race! only thing that sucked was tracy being taken out and tags running into sheckter :flag:
Author:  iks [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
I didn't see this race since I was at Portland's raceway. Did Helio crash into Tracy? I saw results and saw they crashed on the same lap.
Author:  CART fan [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
yeah, Helio turned into Tracy
Author:  Hank Hill [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Also, Moraes and Viso crashed after the race.
Author:  Gabriel [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
CART fan wrote:
yeah, Helio turned into Tracy


It was a damn shame. That was Paul's race. He was driving superbly.
Author:  codename_47 [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
rgordon wrote:
Also, Moraes and Viso crashed after the race.


Oh is that what that crash was halfway down the straight after the race?

I had the sound off on my stream at that stage and saw a car blatentely turn the car in front into the wall onto the run to turn three and just assumed they were replaying something from practice.

Anyway, the IRL should pay to run Paul Tracy in every race, he makes the action 10x better.

I'm still disgusted by the absolute bullshit call he got just prior to his accident though. WTF was that all about?
Cars in pit lane can stay ahead of cars on the track if they cross the pit entry line ahead of the car behind?
Vasser seemed as bemused as most of the public was.
I guess the IRL will do anything to screw Tracy over....what a crock of shit!

But then, a terrible decision by the stewards and controversy with Castroneves. It was like 2002 all over again! :p
Author:  Gabriel [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
codename_47 wrote:
It was like 2002 all over again! :p


Sadly, just that moment. In 2002 the oval races were very good and the cars looked great :( .
Author:  Slyder [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Tbh, the Castro-Neves/Tracy incident was purely a racing accident. It was a very tough call. Both cars were side by side in the narrowest part of the track, and that meant that if both touched wheels (which is what happened) it would result in carnage.

And both sides have acknowledged it that way.
Author:  Gaara [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Yeaa, as they both agreed it was a racing incident. Two drivers not wanting to yield and that'll happen.

The crowd certainly made their feelings known :lol:
Author:  Gabriel [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
I was actually a bit sad that the track was too narrow at that sector. I think the fight between both of them after that pass would've been very good. Also Tracy chasing Franchitti.
Author:  CART fan [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
Gaara wrote:
Yeaa, as they both agreed it was a racing incident.


Jimmy Vasser didn't say Helio was his favorite actor for nothing.
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: IndyCar Series @ Toronto (July 12th 2009)
PT probably should have conceeded at that corner (not really likely :p ). Just too narrow for them both.

Awesome race though :)
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