2015 Random F1 Discussion Thread

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:44 am

Pirelli has signed a 3 year deal.

Fabs · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:52 am

Cue in the idiots that say this is a bad thing.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:56 am

People will never be happy - Bridgestone in 2010 was all one stop except Montreal. So they wanted Pirelli to make a tyre like that and they did. People are still not happy.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:58 am

Fabs wrote:

Queue in the idiots that say this is a bad thing.

Cue another three years of everyone slating Pirelli for producing exactly what they are instructed to produce :slaphead:

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:34 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

People will never be happy - Bridgestone in 2010 was all one stop except Montreal. So they wanted Pirelli to make a tyre like that and they did. People are still not happy.

wouldn't it be better races with zero stops?

kals · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:09 pm

Philthy82 wrote:

kals wrote:

Oh RBR... You're like the scumbag who dumps his amazing and overly tolerant girlfriend, because he reckons "he can do much better", only to realize she is the best thing that's happened to him and he has to go grovelling back begging for a second chance...

Yes, having an engine that was once mediocre but reliable and is now both shit-slow and unreliable, that's exactly like an amazing girlfriend who is the best thing that's ever happened to you.

Say what you want about my comparative but "best thing that's ever happened to you" differs from person to person. It doesn't always mean best looking, best performance, etc... In the case of RBR I would expect it means dependable, very reliable, tolerant and very acceptant of its partners flaws. In a relationship it goes without saying that mistakes will be made on both sides.

RBR has been great thanks to its other half, not just because of itself. RBR assumed the other manufacturers would be forming an orderly line in order to hand over their power units to them. Instead a healthy dose of humble pie now needs to be consumed by management at Milton Keynes.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:12 pm

Still.....let's hope it's not an exclusive contract and michelin will still come in

Tyre war plz

Fabs · PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:32 pm

Nope it's exclusive

Neil · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:20 am

In reading the latest copy of Motorsport magazine I'm beginning to think, that whilst Pirelli are technically providing what is asked of them (high degredation tyres), the way in which they have chosen to do it could be better.

Essentially, the way they work now is that they have thermal degradation built in - once the tyres get above a certain temperature, some chemicals begin to break down and affect the grip level of the tyre. This means that, even after backing off and letting the tyres cool, the tyres are essentially ruined and won't come back to the driver at all. This means that the drivers cannot push for more than a few laps, regardless of how much rubber is left on the tread.

Surely it's not beyond Pirelli to make a tyre that degrades quickly by having a thinner tread on the tyre? That way, drivers could push more without the thermal degradation killing the tyre but still have tyres that wear out quickly?

siggy · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:29 am

I didn't know that. That sounds like an insanely wrong concept on all levels. I cannot think of a single practical application for that. No wonder drivers are managing the tires constantly.

Degredation should be about mechanics in combination with temperatures, not this fake thing.

We need sprinklers next to the circuit, different tarmac surfaces (grippier outside)....

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:41 pm

so Pirelli is turning F1 into a (bigger) farce

they wanted to make races exciting, but now all drivers must do tire management instead of racing. it kinda remember when brazilian stock car ran on goodyears and they didn't lasted a 50 minute run if you don't run on proper racing line

Neil · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:28 pm

siggy wrote:

I didn't know that. That sounds like an insanely wrong concept on all levels. I cannot think of a single practical application for that. No wonder drivers are managing the tires constantly.

Degredation should be about mechanics in combination with temperatures, not this fake thing.

The article does mention that this is something no tyre supplier would do when in a tyre war. I'm not surprised.

Fabs · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:43 pm

Could more testing help them find another way of making things work? Because that seems the case to develop the 2017 tyre.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:10 pm

Apart from the issues encountered by Vettel and Rosberg at Spa, has the terrible "fake" tyre degradation really been that bad recently?

Fabs · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:04 pm

not really, but the fact drivers can't push tyres and have to manage them as much as they're saying is more of an issue imo

kals · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Maybe I've missed something then because I haven't really heard or seen many / any complaints about tyres recently.

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:21 pm

Maybe they are not complaining anymore because they realize that this is the new way of racing

Speedworx · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:36 pm

What is this car?

Fabs · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:49 pm

kals wrote:

Maybe I've missed something then because I haven't really heard or seen many / any complaints about tyres recently.

Isn't that because it's already a known issue and drivers can't be bothered about complaining?

siggy · PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:50 pm

I would have guessed cart <2000.

Realising that it was the mexican gp. Dear lord. I know GPL isnt 100% accurate, but this is shit.

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