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Rumors: Road America for 2017 or 2018, because COTA is in dire financial situation and might be saying bye bye to F1 too. Also might mean that no US round in 2017 because Road America needs to do some pit upgrades.

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.p ... ost3564661

This needs to happen.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news ... -showdown/

I'm sure WEC wants that to happen and wants to see their own cars (at least GTs) to be humiliated by cars from another series.

Sounds cool, but I fear it's a far-fetched dream. What tyres would the GT500's run? Isn't the tyre war the biggest reason why they are so fast?

WEC rejected the idea immediately.

Isn't that quasi-humiliation by default? lol

Two weeks until Nürburgring...

I find it mind boggling that a GT500 car can match an LMP1. What makes the GT500 cars so quick?

And why the hell don't I know more about them? If they're that fast, I need to get on watching their races online.

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Aero and tyre war.

They can't match LMP1s. The previous round of GT500 was at Fuji and pole was 1.28.5 while WEC's pole, last year, was 1.26.4 and, given that the cars are 5s faster this year, we'll see 1.21 at Fuji, so you'll have a 7s gap between the two series.

Tyre war isn't a factor because there is far more development into the LMP1 Michelins than to the SuperGT ones(remember, tyre competition is open on LMP1). I say this because Michelin puts far more money into developing the LMP1 tyres than to their GT500 ones and a GT500 Nissan, mounted on Michelins, is the current reigning champion and stands second on the 2015 championship.

Very poor coverage in Germany, sadly. No channel will show full coverage there, apart from Motors Tv. I'm expecting poor attendance, tbh.
http://bo.fiawec.com/wpphpFichiers/1/pr ... 9.8.15.pdf

There's also, well, no competition.


And source was ...


Last LMS races there (even in 2008 with Peugeot and Audi) wasn't the biggest success but WEC should have now a bit more draw. Lack of German GP this year should help if anything.

you are so full of shit

Michelin provides the best tyres they can because, at any point, any other manufacturer can partner with somebody. It's not like an actual competition would make a difference to the performance(you can't bring faster tyres because that would decrease the longevity).

What could make a huge difference is if they ditched the rule that says that the tyres used during qualifying should be the ones starting the race as this, obviously, means they can't run very soft qualifying compounds like they could in early 90's WSC.


I have a friend that works on Michelin's Research and Development Center, in Clermont-Ferrand, so that's why I know some extra info from them Even without his informations, it's not difficult to figure out as SuperGT has almost zero reach outside Japan(so, not very relevant for marketing) while WEC/Le Mans is a much broader event with more world wide repercution, specially Le Mans which is a very big thing on Michelin's homeland.


Curiously, Austria will have full coverage and it says ORF Sports Plus is even FTA(but I guess that's a mistake?)

what?

as always, a high quality, elaborated, based on facts and reasoning, post from you. The forum's intelectual status grows significantly with your presence

I don't even remember why I removed you from my ignore's list, some time ago. Too much brain for me, it's a pitty I can't add a pathetic coward moderator on that too.(just as smart as you)

Good thing is that I rarely access this forum

Eh... what would then? You seriously think the rate of development would be the same if there was an equal Tyre Manufacturer B in LMP1? No competition = there can not be similar urgency to constantly improve and also no similar fear of losing a customer.

I'm starting to forget what was even the original subject... oh right, why SGTs are so fast despite that they're "just" GT cars. Lets come back to this then in a couple of years when DTM and SGT has same cars yet SGT will remain much faster thanks to open tyres and probably continuing tyre war.


Ok.

You make a very fair point. What I'm telling you is that the LMP1 effort is pretty big right now as it is. For reference, my friend told me that WEC and MotoGP(Michelin will supply it's tyres again) are by far the biggest efforts, motorsport-wise. Even WRC receives less effort(by that I mean, technicians involved, numbers of tests done and etc).

With another supplier on LMP1, maybe Michelin would increase the budget allocated to develop it's endurance tyres and the advancements, on it, could be quicker. What I'm saying is that, as it stands now, the compounds of SuperGT are nowhere near more "developed" than that of LMP1s.

You said tyre war helps explain the proximity in laptimes. I think the tyre compounds might play a significant part but it's not related to the variety of suppliers in SuperGT, as I said, because the LMP1s still receive far more attention from the engineers/chemists(and other professionals)(at least from Michelin, that is. But given how competitive their tyres are, there, we can speculate Bridgestone/Dunlop/Yokohama doesn't spend much more, as well). The tyres might play a part because LMP1s have endurance tyres that must last up to 300km on 6h races and close to 600km at Le Mans. SuperGTs tyres are likely more aggressive, and thus, faster.

Maybe some people could think(not saying you, deggis) that Michelin provides spec tires to WEC, as does Hankook to DTM, and I just wanted to clarify that they must keep developing because, at any point, some team can partner with another supplier, as was the case at Lemans when there was a GT car on Dunlops. Next year, Falken will not run on TUSC(at least that's why I heard) but, as the tire regulations will remain open, Michelin will likely keep developing even if becoming the sole supplier on GTLM.

On that other forum we post, I'll quote Chiana on something and you'll see that, even the competition of tyres, doesn't guarantee the best possible compounds and how the LMP1s, despite having only 1 supplier, have more developed tires than the LMP2s(even before now that Dunlop will become sole supplier). Read there and you'll quickly and easily understand why

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ELMS from the eyesore is green.

There is some fantastic racing going in ELMS. Been thoroughly enjoying it this afternoon

Those hideous lines don't actually do what they're claimed to do they?