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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:46 pm 
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Ha, I rate the F3.5 so much higher than the GP2, but I guess they must protect GP2 before it becomes futile


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Apparently drivers like Schumacher, Button, Raikkonen, Bottas, Bianchi, Kvyat, Ricciardo, Vettel & Magnussen would not have qualified for a super license had this points system been in place at the time.

It's a cumulative system taking into account last 3 seasons, so for example Bottas would have gotten the license after 2 years in FIA F3 finishing 3rd.

Still, pretty awkward rule. What about non open-wheel series? Or if a driver is leading the F3 championship in September, can he make a F1 deal or does the team have to wait until November when the season is over.


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Yeaa because 3.5 has been better then GP2 and they've realised that.

As for making currently nonexistent championship higher, that's just puzzling.


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Will this be a hard requirement or, just as now, room for interpretation and dispensation?


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Requirement, but I'm sure they'll forget about it somewhere down the line.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:48 pm 
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when someone finishes 2nd in his rookie season of Indy Car, he has already proven that he can turn a wheel.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:14 pm 
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when someone finishes 2nd in his rookie season of Indy Car, he has already proven that he can turn a wheel.


Max Verstappen finished 2nd in his first ever open wheel series and that was enough for several teams to chase him including Red Bull and Mercedes. And he got his seat pure on merits as he wont have to bring in sponsors to race at STR.

One of the goals of the superlicense is to prevent rich kids to enter F1 but I'm kinda allergic to the "you must be this tall to get on this ride....but that kid can get on even thought he doesn't meet the requirements...".

IMHO it's either random for all or strict for all.


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F1 :lol:


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What a joke. Super Formula gets 20 points while GP3 gets 30 and F3 gets 40?

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What happens if you are a great talent but only complete partial seasons because of lack of funds, therefore don't have enough points to qualify for a superlicense? Seems a great way for talent to be overlooked by F1 teams.

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It's not like they are going to bother caring about using the system anyway.

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What happens if you are a great talent but only complete partial seasons because of lack of funds, therefore don't have enough points to qualify for a superlicense? Seems a great way for talent to be overlooked by F1 teams.



Well that happens today as well. Frijns is said to be very talented but lacks the funds and didn't want to join Red Bull. See what that brought him.

Today you either have enough cash to compensate talent, Cash and talent or enough talent to compensate lack of money. The latter 2 seems to be smaller than the first group.


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What a joke. Super Formula gets 20 points while GP3 gets 30 and F3 gets 40?

+1, euro f3 being worth 40 points seems particularly random


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What a joke. Super Formula gets 20 points while GP3 gets 30 and F3 gets 40?

+1, euro f3 being worth 40 points seems particularly random

Does it? Pretty clear the FIA is trying to strongarm themselves into a position where their ladder is the best. All behind the guise of a merit based system. In theory this is a fantastic development, but in practice, it's more of the same bullshittery. FR is worth 5 points but FIA F4 is worth 10? FR3.5 worth 30 but FIA F2 which doesn't even exist yet is worth 60? GP3 is worth more than FR 3.5? It's a joke.

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Just seems to be a case of the FIA promoting their series over the rest

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This will only punish those who are trying to get to f1 with talent.

Pay drivers of course will be able to find their loopholes.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:18 pm 
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Yep, bit of money under the table. What restrictions?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:31 pm 
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StefMeister wrote:


Am I the only one who would prefer the noses go back to been very low & looking something like this?
http://api.ning.com/files/MUFx3cP8Nvu6Q ... berger.jpg[/img]
I've never really liked the higher noses.

High noses :yuk:

Low noses are much more elegant, imo. Ferrari 97 is one of the worst and a huge contrast to this taste 96 one you posted.

After 95/96, cars only started looking great again in 2004 with Mclaren and it's low noses that lasted pretty much untill 2009(although 2007/2008 were not as low as the 2006 one) and followed by Williams in 2006, most notably, among others.
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Apparently drivers like Schumacher, Button, Raikkonen, Bottas, Bianchi, Kvyat, Ricciardo, Vettel & Magnussen would not have qualified for a super license had this points system been in place at the time.

Also Formula 2, A championship which doesn't exist rewards more points than GP2 & why's Formula Renault 3.5 so low down?


I think it's pointless to point Schumacher because there wasn't GP2, FR 3.5 and etc back then. And I don't remember F3000 being that much better than national F3s, either.

For instance, Senna was Macau and British F3 champion and that's the same as Schumacher, the difference being German F3 instead.

This is the typical FIA, though. They wanted to humiliate Indycar with this, as it's F1's biggest rival and F1 is the sole reason people around most of the world knows and respect FIA. Put Palmer, the reigning GP2 champ, alongside Power, HCN and JPM to see him get trashed by them, still the series is much lower valued than F1's feeder series.

Also, FIA has always been bitter with USA because they are a non-entity there and it hurts their egos to have it's authority, pretty much, unrecognized by American racing.

If a rokkie in Indycar have a fantastic year and finish 2nd in the championship, and has no European feeder series history, then he isn't qualified for darling F1 :roll:
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Max Verstappen finished 2nd in his first ever open wheel series and that was enough for several teams to chase him including Red Bull and Mercedes. And he got his seat pure on merits as he wont have to bring in sponsors to race at STR.

Being pedantic, Verstappen finished 3rd:
http://www.fiaf3europe.com/en/point-sta ... index.html


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GP2 replaced F3000, they're pretty much the same.


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Being pedantic, that tast Ferrari was from 1995 ;)

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