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Ok so now everyone has calmed down, perhaps we should have a discussion about stuff (tyres especially) that don't result in "suck it" and "fuck you".

There are 2 possible scenarios regarding tyre failure.

1 - something on the track, be it debris or a damaged kerb was causing it.
2 - the tyres suffered failures on there own.

Lets address these separately.

If it was the track (most likely a kerb or debris from various incidents if it were) then the tyres are obviously quite sensitive to such objects, probably as a result of the type of tyre Pirelli is trying to build to help F1. BUT, if it was debris, nobody will listen or care. Pirelli will still get the blame, especially by fans, a few teams and drivers. The loser in it all would be Pirelli - they'll leave, and the fans are the biggest losers.

If it was a structural failure then this goes hand in hand with the changes Pirelli wanted to make and were told no, they could not do it. So Pirellis argument would be that they seen there was an issue, wanted to change it, and some teams and the FIA said no. They asked to test, did one with Mercedes, and got in trouble. So what are they meant to do there? Once again, the loser is Pirelli - they'll leave, and the fans are the biggest losers.

No matter what the cause, Pirelli will get blamed, probably leave, and we as the fans will suffer. And all because F1 teams cannot get along enough.

I should say, regarding my post earlier about what was "acceptable" to post, that was made by me as a user, not as a mod. I didn't mean to imply that I'd get people in trouble for it, more I was disappointed in how some people react to certain situations. It's like cheering and booing things. It's massively disrespectful in a sport that is generally quite good in that regard. And I feel saying "suck it" to Horner because of his statements about the tyres is stunningly short sighted given the major beneficiary of the situation was Mercedes, who are more involved in the tyre debates than every other team combined, to the point they were found guilty of violating the regulations in the FIA court. So that's just an awful excuse to post something that I personally find disappointingly abusive. Again, I'm posting that as my own view, not as a staff member.

I don't think it was a coincidence that we had a whole bunch of failures after a bunch of debris was on the circuit, then it stopped when the track was cleaned, and then we had one more after there was debris on the circuit again.

It's nothing to do about his statements on the tyres, and they were found guilty of rule violations mainly due to the FIA having no clue how to properly converse and explain their own rules to the teams.

Cheering and booing things disrespectful? Nonsense. That's what sport is - it is team versus team, man versus man. Senna and Prost. Hill and Schumacher. Reutemann and Jones. Not everyone is a neutral purist and if they were holy crap would the sport be dull.

Oh, and again, I said at the time I felt sorry for the driver. Christian Horner, not. The tyre gate saga makes up about 10% of why.

Gary Anderson just showed on BBC how much of a Kerb was sticking out, probably was the problem.

Completely disagree with that, and Mercedes knew EXACTLY what they were doing which is why they had unbranded helmets and high security. The "explain the rules" excuse is an amazing cop out which the FIA only bought because they need Mercedes to stick around as an engine supplier. Any idea that Mercedes didn't know what they were doing is just stunningly and amazing short sighted.

Once in a while, Atlas turns up something brilliant - there were 4 Michelin punctures during the weekend of the 2004 Belgian GP (Button, Coulthard, Montoya, and Briscoe in practice). The cause was the kerbs, in particular the kerb at the Bus Stop.

It has happened before.

Yeah but Bus/stop was modified that year. The curbs at Silverstone have not been changed since 2010.

I don't think it was a coincidence that we had a whole bunch of failures after a bunch of debris was on the circuit, then it stopped when the track was cleaned, and then we had one more after there was debris on the circuit again.