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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:10 pm 
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If it's real and legit, my guess would be that whoever leaked it felt that the internal investigation cleared Horner when it "shouldn't" have. I know that still leaves the door wide open for subjectivity and/or more dishonesty from one or multiple parties. But, I can't really think of any other reason the information would be leaked (again, assuming the information is real and valid).


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Has anyone seen the messages?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:22 pm 
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Doesn't the person who originally made the claim against Horner have the right to appeal? Surely if there was someone out there that believed the original investigation wrongfully cleared him then they would wait until the appeal was also dismissed?

Presumably now any of that "evidence" cannot be used in said appeal because it has been made available in a public domain?


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Juihi wrote:
Has anyone seen the messages?


They were on F1 on Reddit, can be seen (some) here https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/

They're all a bit grubby, but also possibly faked.


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Looks like the chat between two idiot 20 year olds, kinda boring too

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I don't have a microscope so I can't read most of screenshots, my eye sight must be terrible.


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ZeroX wrote:
I don't have a microscope so I can't read most of screenshots, my eye sight must be terrible.



Here's the image zoomed in, on the link or just open the one below in new tab

https://i.imgur.com/DIHKjGa.png

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:08 pm 
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Sorry I still can't read that properly, thank you though.


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No problem, I tried upscalling it but it was much worse.


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What I think I am seeing is a married man flirting with someone else? Not even that dirty? Or am I missing something?

Not exactly something to get sued or fired over. Worst case, he´ll get dumped by his wife


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The last thing I wanted to see when I logged on today was a Horner leak all over the paddock.... :8:

Between that and Princess Kate being "missing" the internet is in a crazy place at the moment

Can we PLEASE go racing soon, maybe bring the race forward 24 hours so the race happens on Saturday instead of Sunday? :whistling:

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Sorry I still can't read that properly, thank you though.


Warning: potentially NSFW (though I'm pretty sure it's a finger)


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Omega wrote:
What I think I am seeing is a married man flirting with someone else? Not even that dirty? Or am I missing something?

Not exactly something to get sued or fired over. Worst case, he´ll get dumped by his wife



It seems it's his PA based on those messages (That is if they are real), so whether he started treating her like shit because she rejected him is potentially something for someone to be aggrieved about

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The James Vowles WhatsApp message in the reddit thread is pretty funny and accurate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/

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Omega wrote:
What I think I am seeing is a married man flirting with someone else? Not even that dirty? Or am I missing something?

Not exactly something to get sued or fired over. Worst case, he´ll get dumped by his wife


Sometimes companies have policies that forbid relationship between colleagues or people within a certain hierarchy. In another cases the these relationships are allowed but they need to be disclosed to HR. Or maybe the person could plead she was not comfortable to reject his approaches due to the power dynamic that lies in the relation.

In any case, it is terrible for Red Bull that this story went out while developing. Someone conveniently leaked the investigation was happening and then leaked the evidence.

And anyway, it does not look good on him, and tarnishes his reputation. Being a married man and fucking around with a subordinate looks too weak. And I really feel sorry his family that ends up being exposed like that.


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Omega wrote:
What I think I am seeing is a married man flirting with someone else? Not even that dirty? Or am I missing something?

Not exactly something to get sued or fired over. Worst case, he´ll get dumped by his wife


Sometimes companies have policies that forbid relationship between colleagues or people within a certain hierarchy. In another cases the these relationships are allowed but they need to be disclosed to HR. Or maybe the person could plead she was not comfortable to reject his approaches due to the power dynamic that lies in the relation.

In any case, it is terrible for Red Bull that this story went out while developing. Someone conveniently leaked the investigation was happening and then leaked the evidence.

And anyway, it does not look good on him, and tarnishes his reputation. Being a married man and fucking around with a subordinate looks too weak. And I really feel sorry his family that ends up being exposed like that.
I think the messages are likely to be a violation of HR policies but alone probably wouldn't warrant action against Horner. Where he's going to be in difficulty is if there's evidence he used his authority to negatively impact her if things soured between them

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If there was evidence of that, it would have been leaked along with everything else.

This is very clearly someone on the Austrian side trying to pressure Horner to quit (or somehow compel the FIA to ban him) because the Thais have made it clear they will not sack him.

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to be honest, one of the selfies of him look very fake. Like someone took a cutout of him and posted it over a blurry background.

I also heard the dickpic happened to be a photo of Toto Wolf (j/k)


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micha wrote:
to be honest, one of the selfies of him look very fake. Like someone took a cutout of him and posted it over a blurry background.

Bokeh effect.

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