2024 Formula One Random Discussion Thread

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:32 am

webbsy wrote:

So with another two years of Verstappen dominance locked in (if Red Bull get their engine right could be another couple on top of that) I wonder what all of these amazing valuations of the teams will be like when the casual fan will become bored? I can really see it becoming like WRC after the Seb Loeb dominance. Reaches huge popularity then one driver and team (to be fair Seb did kinda change teams) effectivly kills it.

At least with the Schumacher and Vettel dominance we had seasons where they almost got over run. There isn't a hope in hell that is happening within the next two years with Max and Red Bull. With the rules being so draconian like the early hybrid engine freeze, once an advantage is gained, it is locked in. The rules need to be opened up, not locked down.

The sport will be at it's knees very shortly

The only solution is BoP

Ospif1 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:33 am

The doom and gloom after day 1 of testing. It's deja vu.

Fabs · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:47 am

There is (false) hope :8:

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... explained/

Juihi · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:21 am

Remember in 2018 I think it was when Vettel and Ferrari were hyped up they had a great package, and then yea... we know what happened. So testing doesn't mean jack

amq55 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:27 am

mclaren2008 wrote:

webbsy wrote:

So with another two years of Verstappen dominance locked in (if Red Bull get their engine right could be another couple on top of that) I wonder what all of these amazing valuations of the teams will be like when the casual fan will become bored? I can really see it becoming like WRC after the Seb Loeb dominance. Reaches huge popularity then one driver and team (to be fair Seb did kinda change teams) effectivly kills it.

At least with the Schumacher and Vettel dominance we had seasons where they almost got over run. There isn't a hope in hell that is happening within the next two years with Max and Red Bull. With the rules being so draconian like the early hybrid engine freeze, once an advantage is gained, it is locked in. The rules need to be opened up, not locked down.

The sport will be at it's knees very shortly

The only solution is BoP

Let's leave BoP to sportscars. If you want to nerf the best teams, find better ways of doing it

Omega · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:41 am

in the current era, if your car is shit, you're probably stuck with it for years. Same if the engine is shit.
It works the other way too, in 2014 Mercedes built a perfect car and a perfect engine, all Mercedes engine users improved. It took the others years to catch up.

The lack of testing and the cost cap do not help in catching up. For me personally, that's why it came as such a surprise that McLaren found so much speed mid season.

amq55 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:53 am

Meanwhile, testing has been stopped for quite a while because a kerb started break up.

Edit: session won't be resumed.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:58 am

amq55 wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

webbsy wrote:

So with another two years of Verstappen dominance locked in (if Red Bull get their engine right could be another couple on top of that) I wonder what all of these amazing valuations of the teams will be like when the casual fan will become bored? I can really see it becoming like WRC after the Seb Loeb dominance. Reaches huge popularity then one driver and team (to be fair Seb did kinda change teams) effectivly kills it.

At least with the Schumacher and Vettel dominance we had seasons where they almost got over run. There isn't a hope in hell that is happening within the next two years with Max and Red Bull. With the rules being so draconian like the early hybrid engine freeze, once an advantage is gained, it is locked in. The rules need to be opened up, not locked down.

The sport will be at it's knees very shortly

The only solution is BoP

Let's leave BoP to sportscars. If you want to nerf the best teams, find better ways of doing it

There's nothing else that can be done

DinoMarko93 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:05 am

It's really hard too see the 2nd part of 2022, complete 2023 and expect major will change in 2024 , or even in 2025.
And that's horrible. Because i never remember so much season with complete domination of a team+ driver for so long (yes, Merc were ahead and Lewis won so much titles, but we had team intern duels, and later duels with Vettel and Ferrari).
Mclaren 88 had a PRost Senna duel and of course some danger of mechanical issues.
Ferrari 2001-2002 was horrible, but the cars were spectacular to see live, and it lasted just 2 seasons + 2004.
Redbull 2010-2013 were interrupted by 2010 and 2012 , spectacular seasons.

Vassago · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:50 pm

2001 wasn't that bad compared to 2002 and 2004. Just too many BMW engine failures and Hakkinen's season collapsed after he lost the Catalunya win on the last lap.

BoP has no business in F1. That would be the death of F1.

The main problem is the cars are bulletproof these days so the only way to jeopardise the results are some accidents and it's impossible for Verstappen to drop the ball when he's all on his own after a handful of laps. Outside of the first two races in 2022 Red Bull has been immune to mechanical failures (which was also the case for Mercedes during their dominant stretch).

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:08 pm

F1 will be the top notch when they begin to be a full analog series and ditch all the electronic possible, like it in the days of the DFV. All banned but track testing. Give the teams 20 million each just for their testing and whoever comes with the best upgrades will win

but as they say, a dream that is unable to come true is a nightmare

Gaara · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:16 pm

I remember when they first brought in parc ferme rules and they were all going on about how it was going to cause more parts failures. But I guess they realised the parts would have to last longer and not be replaced almost every session. For the big teams it was pretty much only the chassis that carried over from quali into the race. The engines could only last 300 miles.

Fabs · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:59 pm

Reliability was going to get better no matter what.
Manufacturing improves all the time
Engineering is of a higher quality
Software and hardware improves to get better insights and better tools for engineers to do their job.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:01 pm

unless you're Colin Chapman and build everything on the edge to get light and agile

JJ · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:35 pm

If they only allowed new teams to join whenever there's room. This could be very interesting season if, like 2010, we would have 3 new teams, 6 hungry young drivers to follow. So even if Max was winning, there would be 30% more action behind him. And even if those new teams were backmarkers, just hoping them to get a single point would be a reason to get excited.
But it seems F1 does its best to eliminate all unpredictableness from the series.

Omega · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:15 pm

Meanwhile in testing after day 2: no surprises. The cars you´d expect at the front, are ahead. The cars you´d expect at the back, are at the back.

Testing means nothing, but there´s also not much to suggest that we will see big surprises next week.

Except that the fastest lap today is already almost matching the 2023 pole so lap times will go down compared to last year.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:54 pm

Bahrain's been around 2 decades and the track looks pretty rough now :flag:

peterohanrahanrahan · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:09 pm

Fabs wrote:

Reliability was going to get better no matter what.
Manufacturing improves all the time
Engineering is of a higher quality
Software and hardware improves to get better insights and better tools for engineers to do their job.

In addition, they have higher (more conservative) minimum weights and the tracks are a lot smoother than they were 20 years ago.

Juihi · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:12 pm

Quote:

The release on Friday of Netflix's latest series of Drive to Survive is unfortunate timing for one of the biggest stars of the show, with one scene early in the series likely to become an instant meme as the Horner family receives a surprise visit from Father Christmas, who asks his children: "Can I ask, has Dad been good this year?"

ZeroX · PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:22 pm

So is it widely accepted now that Horner is guilty despite there being no available details?

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