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The drivers constant bitching about the 2009+ ruleset was what brought about the 2017 wider cars with high downforce that has brought us nothing but Dirty air....

So, sadly, they DO listen to drivers

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Of course they do because otherwise divas like #blessed go on their social media and bitch about F1.

He'll still pick up his paycheck though, can't buy that next dumbass outfit to prance around in otherwise

I miss catastrophic fires in the pits due to refueling mishaps.

What? Are you trolling? Because I really don't understand how F1 was better when there was refueling.

The racing was terrible as you just waited for pitstops for something to happen.

You're an engineer though, so I'll trust you

IIRC most of the complaints on refuelling were related to drivers choosing to wait for a pit and undercut rather than pass on track. Given they're mostly doing that now with tire changes, I don't know how refueling would make that worse. I do think refueling hoses should have a degree of failure built into them so we get a bit of danger and spectacle back into the sport.

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Refueling was only fun when we had one lap qlf and the grid was mixed up.

Add to that when it was a session with the track drying.

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That's because these Pirelli tyres are terrible. If they wouldn't overheat this quickly, drivers wouldn't wait for over or undercuts.
If they would be able to refuel however, they'll just wait until pitstops like in the 90ies and early 00s. I don't see this being a success.

@Scotty Please give me your view.

Jeez, you often say weird things (man, I am so polite by just calling it "weird things"). But refueling did NOT provide better racing than after the ban. F1 already was in a very bad state, with practically no overtaking on track. Like other members above me already said, drivers did not make an effort to pass on track, they just waited for the pit stops. If you pitted first, you were screwed. You came out heavier and on cold tyres, the other one could push for one more lap in a light car and come out just in front. Race over. This already wasn't honest racing. Pit stops are bad for the sport. Fastest sport in the world, and it is decided by how long they are standing still.

I'm up for refuelling if this qualifying return

plus they should make something about equalizing conditions, like the pole position or championship leader must have a slower fuel flow on the hose during pit stops to make another strategies to scramble the field

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What's the point of refueling if you still have fuel using limits and engines must be saved for the next half dozen races?

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Plus with all the advanced simulations nowadays, everyone would probably end up with the same optimal fuel strategy anyway. So I fail to see how it would provide any variability.

That is it. After maybe 1 race, probably not even before then, like the tyres, teams will all converge on the same strategy. There maybe 1 outlier for the season, and like the Austria race the commentators will say 'and you all said F1 was broken how wrong are you'

Now if they removed the fuel flow limit, upped the amount of fuel they could use and lowered the minimum car weight then that might be interesting.

It's not Pirelli's fault and people keep throwing them under the bus for no reason. They can make iron-like tires but FIA asked them to provide the degrading tires to re-create the 2011 Canadian GP drama. That race was an outlier and FIA is stupid enough to think they can artificially replay it every god damn weekend.

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It's not their fault that we have degrading tyres, it's their fault however how the degradation happens. Apparantly it's hardly possible to get the tyres up to temperature and if you push them too hard, they overheat and you destroy them.
And this year we have thinner thread tyres which is the reason Mercedes is so good and teams like Ferrari, RBR and especially Haas have problems.



This shows how tyres pretty much decide who becomes world champion and not aerodynamics or whether we'll have refueling or not.

The lack of refuelling means the tires are overheating early because the cars are too heavy in first place. Like NVirkkula mentioned above though, the engine limit will keep everyone in standby mode no matter whether you lift the refuelling ban or not. Teams will adjust to the new situation and protect the engine pool since it remains the paramount issue. You can only have two free engine changes per season and one of them always happens before or in the middle of the Spa/Monza double-header.

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The tyres overheat throughout the race, it's just worse at the start. Doesn't matter really.

Lot of short memories in this thread

Go back and watch those old races from 1994-2009

Everyone on the same strategy (bar an outlier like Ferrari putting Rubens on a 3 stopper just for the lols so they wouldn't have to tell him to stop fighting micheal)
Everyone being more desperate at the start but immediately backing off to conserve their car for the over cut. Then 3 laps of sprinting around the pit stop phase, then backing off and conserving when it was over.
When you have new tyres you're full with fuel and when you are light on fuel, your tyres are used up, so the car is never in a good condition enough to generate great racing.

Lots more processions back then and refueling was one of the main things fans at the time moaned about, along with driver aides and grooved tyres.

Plus it's a needless expense and a needless danger, which in an era of halos and sc during rain, doesn't make sense to suddenly add a danger element

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The fact is, something has to change allthough lifting the refuelling ban alone won't fix the issue. It's a short-term deal as to show the critics FIA is doing something. F1 has become so dire nobody cares about the "loud engine noise" that people were rooting for not so long ago. If you have good racing nobody cares how the cars sound. Even nobody give a damn about halo these days either.

Taking the weight off the cars and getting rid of the engine limit is far more important to improve the quality of racing IMO. I've been saying this for a while and don't change my opinion. The refuelling ban is a sideshow but FIA probaby realizes how bad their product is and no PR stunts gonna cover it up.

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We're just going to end up in a constant cycle of revisiting old ideas from a rose-tinted past in the hope of recapturing something that was never there to begin with