MotoGP/Moto2/Moto3 2015 Discussion Thread

Ayrton S. · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:00 am

Road Rash 2015.

Tobias · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:17 am

alex1369 wrote:

All i have to say its Schumacher style.

this.

2UncleanerLake53 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:21 am

Rossi's penalty: starting last in Valencia. No minus points here. Maybe he'll kick Jorge next time out just to celebrate it.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:40 am

Pressure is still on Lorenzo, he must finish

siggy · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:38 am

Just seen the move. Did Marquez do anything to Rossi in the race?

Regiotap · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:05 pm

siggy wrote:

Just seen the move. Did Marquez do anything to Rossi in the race?

Yes. Blocking him. Driving slow in corners. He was not racing for victory, but just racing to destroy the race of Rossi. Again (confirmed by Moto GP stewards, but it is not against the rules to drive slowly).
Maybe it was Rossi's fault, but Marquez is driving like a child last two races. It's just a shame that this happened in this great season.

I don't know, but if I was teamboss of Honda today, I would be furious with Marquez not driving for the victory, but only to block Rossi.

2UncleanerLake53 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:12 pm

Regiotap wrote:

Yes. Blocking him. Driving slow in corners. He was not racing for victory, but just racing to destroy the race of Rossi. Again.
Maybe it was Rossi's fault, but Marquez is driving like a child last two races. It's just a shame that this happened in this great season.

I don't know, but if I was teamboss of Honda today, I would be furious with Marquez not driving for the victory, but only to block Rossi.

What the hell? They were fighting for the 3rd position fair and square. Marquez today didn't have any pace so he tried to achieve 3rd place, what is supposed to do. He always gives his best, like he did in Phillip Island (he didn't let Lorenzo win) and in Jerez a year ago (when in the very last corner he dived down the inside of Jorge, collision included). In my opinion your argument is pointless.

siggy · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:14 pm

Oh wow. That makes it at least understandable, not that i justify it.

That's pretty low from Marquez. Did anything happen between those that Marquez is that hell bent on getting Lorenzo the title?

It almost feels like the DTM in the early 90s, with all Mercedes drivers helping their title candidate, regardless from which team.

Regiotap · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:17 pm

2UncleanerLake53 wrote:

Regiotap wrote:

Yes. Blocking him. Driving slow in corners. He was not racing for victory, but just racing to destroy the race of Rossi. Again.
Maybe it was Rossi's fault, but Marquez is driving like a child last two races. It's just a shame that this happened in this great season.

I don't know, but if I was teamboss of Honda today, I would be furious with Marquez not driving for the victory, but only to block Rossi.

What the hell? They were fighting for the 3rd position fair and square. Marquez today didn't have any pace so he tried to achieve 3rd place, what is supposed to do. He always gives his best, like he did in Phillip Island (he didn't let Lorenzo win) and in Jerez a year ago (when in the very last corner he dived down the inside of Jorge, collision included). In my opinion your argument is pointless.

See my latest edit : Race Direction has confirmed that Marquez was deliberate slowing at corners today, but that's not worth a penalty, because it is allowed. It was not a real fight what we saw today. It was just Marquez blocking Rossi, so I can really understand the frustration of Rossi today.

2UncleanerLake53 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:34 pm

siggy wrote:

That's pretty low from Marquez. Did anything happen between those that Marquez is that hell bent on getting Lorenzo the title?

Overtaking Lorenzo at the last lap of Phillip Island doesn't seem very helpful, is it?

Regiotap wrote:

See my latest edit : Race Direction has confirmed that Marquez was deliberate slowing at corners today, but that's not worth a penalty, because it is allowed. It was not a real fight what we saw today. It was just Marquez blocking Rossi, so I can really understand the frustration of Rossi today.

You seem to be justifying (I'm not saying you're) Rossi's action. Marquez has done always the same mistake throughout his entire career: overtaking and re-overtaking at the middle of the pack while the ones in front pull away. As I said, he simply had no pace, he went wide owing going over the edge and he believed it was the best for him, if no podium was over. The best thing he could make to benefit Lorenzo was, to let him win in Australia.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:37 pm

Marquez basically got Logano'd

Marquez seriously needs to calm the fuck down - the kid is mega fast but erratic. He'd be in the title fight as well but not for those stupid falls, like Argentina and Mugello.

Checking the stats: this is the closest margin between 2 riders going into the final race of the season since the 80's, possibly earlier.

highgroove · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:38 pm

Rossi should have kicked him in the head on the way down too, little pr1ck!

2UncleanerLake53 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:51 pm

highgroove wrote:

Rossi should have kicked him in the head on the way down too, little pr1ck!

If he had did it, he wouldn't care as he would have started last next year.

Vassago · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:46 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

Pressure is still on Lorenzo, he must finish

Wanna bet Repsol guys will make it very easy for him?

Rossi's mind games blew right back into his face. Plus Lorenzo lambasted him after the race :lol:

Rossi's on his own now and he's got only himself to blame.

mclaren2008 wrote:

championship affected by someone not even going for the championship

Welcome to real world! :lol:

kals · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:55 pm

This was a perfect storm. A war of words followed by some amazing racing. It was breathtaking.

The incident was Rossi's fault but he didn't ultimately make Marquez fall off his bike. The kick didn't do anything. Rossi shouldn't have let his frustrations show in such an obvious and public manner. But you can understand his perspective. Marquez was racing like his life depended on it. Why? That was immensely immature although but what we've become used to with Marquez in 2015.

As for Lorenzo's opinion after the race, well that just validates what Rossi was saying ahead of the race. Lorenzo has a new best friend. Or in other words, Lorenzo needs help from others because he's unable to seal the deal on his own.

This is an ugly situation. Fascinating though and compelling to watch. Bring on Valencia. Go Vale.

Regiotap · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:50 pm

Quote:

"Valentino was of the opinion that Marc was deliberately slowing the pace of the race down and doing so unfairly. We listened to both riders; our opinion was that there was some fault on both sides, but as far as the rulebook goes Marquez did not make any contact, did not break any rules as such, but we feel that his behaviour was causing problems to Rossi who reacted. Unfortunately he reacted in a way that is against the rules.”

kals · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:58 pm

A little side note... Pedrosa missed rounds 2-3-4 and yet is now little over one win from Marquez points tally in 3rd place. Dani has only failed to score in one race this season, Marquez has fallen six times. Just goes to show how unstable Marquez has been this season.

Fish88 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Shows the importance of a good bike. Marquez was so impressive the last 2 seasons because his bike was quite amazing, and now that he has to compensate the bike (or is on the same level) he has to push much harder than in the last 2 seasons, which clearly didn't worked out for him. And Pedrosa really needs a season without some sort of bad luck going on, he is like the Robben of MotoGP (always injured).

From his Wiki page :lol:

Quote:

Injuries

2003 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (125cc) Double fracture in the talus bone of the left foot and a fracture of the right ankle.
2005 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (250cc) Fracture of the left humeral head that affected the supraspinal tendon.
2006 Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of the small left toe and loss of cutaneous matter on the right knee. 5 stitches in that vertical cut.
2007 Turkish motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Thoracic trauma, blow to the left gluteus and neck trauma.
2007 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Post-traumatic arthritis with inflammation to the small toe of the left foot.
2008 Sepang test (MotoGP) Fracture of the second metacarpal in the right hand, with three diaphyseal fragments, which are the bones that are found in the middle part of the metacarpus.
2008 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) General inflammation of the left hand with hematomas in the veins of the extensor tendons. Displaced fracture of the distal phalanx of the left index finger. A sprain of the interphalangeal articulation next to the left middle finger. Fracture of the large bone of the left wrist. Sprain of the lateral external ligament of the right ankle.
2008 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Capsular hematoma on the left knee that had to be treated two months after.
2009 Qatar test (MotoGP) Fracture of the radius of the left arm and contusion on the left knee that required a skin graft, because the scar re-opened from an operation before Christmas.
2009 Italian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Incomplete fracture of the greater trochanter of the right femur. A fracture without displacement, an injury that requires absolute rest and treatment with painkillers.[40]
2009 December (MotoGP) Underwent an operation to remove a screw from his left wrist.[41]
2010 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Four-fragment chip fracture of the left collarbone and a Grade 1 ankle sprain.[42]
2011 French motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fractured right collarbone.[43]
2013 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of left collarbone.[44]
2015 Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Arm pump of right hand.[37]

Not really proud what happened today as a Rossi fan, but it sure is going to make the next race quite exciting.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:43 pm

kals wrote:

A little side note... Pedrosa missed rounds 2-3-4 and yet is now little over one win from Marquez points tally in 3rd place. Dani has only failed to score in one race this season, Marquez has fallen six times. Just goes to show how unstable Marquez has been this season.

With the introduction of Michelin, Honda improving and Pedrosa back to form, perhaps even a title tilt from him in 2016?

Ellu · PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:10 pm

Hank Hill wrote:

Bob Varsha said Marquez's father tried to fight Rossi in Parc Ferme.

If correct, ban the man from the paddock please.

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