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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Another example of why NASCAR is the laughing stock of all sports sanctioning bodies :lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cu ... id=5633918
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Dr. Charles Manning of Raleigh, N.C.-based Accident Reconstruction Analysis said two tests of a wrecker pushing a car set up the same as Bowyer's winning No. 33 in the Chase opener showed the left rear end moved upward 40 thousandths of one inch.

Testifying Wednesday on behalf of Richard Childress Racing, Manning told the National Stock Car Racing Commission that heard the appeal that his scientific study "clearly" explains the 39,000th of an inch NASCAR told RCR officials the car was beyond tolerances.

"They came out this morning and claimed it was negated by the telemetry which didn't show a very sharp impact," Manning said Thursday. "We didn't have any sharp impact, either. We pushed it easily. They said the visual inspection of the car showed nothing in the way of damage. Well, after we got through testing none of the cars showed anything of note or damage.

"They said the visual inspection of the postrace push showed they pushed very gentle. We pushed more gentle ... between six and 10 miles per hour. So what they said was a bunch of malarkey."


The commission turned down RCR's appeal of the 150-point fine for Bowyer and six-week suspension for crew chief Shane Wilson by a 3-0 vote. Manning hopes the final appeal to chief appellate officer John Middlebrook will come out differently.

"We hope that this court of appeal will listen a little more and understand that what we did was very scientific," said Manning, who expected the appeal to be heard next week. "We had good telemetry. We recorded and measured everything very accurately.

"NASCAR doesn't have to get after us. We didn't disagree it was off speculation, but the reason it was is because of the wrecker and not because of something the Richard Childress Racing team did."

Manning said the only way he can have more exact data than what he collected during the reconstruction at Charlotte Motor Speedway using a duplicate of Bowyer's car and a wrecker similar to the one at New Hampshire is to inspect the car in violation.

He said NASCAR has not let him or RCR officials look at the car.

"All we get from them is the stuff from behind closed doors," said Manning, whose company helped CMS win its case when a pedestrian bridge collapsed after a race in 2000. "I've been doing this for 45 years. When we go to court I've got photos and measurements. We haven't seen any photos. We haven't seen any measurements."

Manning said his tests rule out the possibility that Bowyer's car could be out of tolerance from a bump by another car on the track. Because of the way the bumpers match up, he said the tolerance would be lower and NASCAR ruled the rear deck lid on Bowyer's car driven at Loudon was higher.

He said the positioning of the wrecker pushed the rear of the car higher, adding strain gauges used on the bumper during the test showed the bumper was getting a "big load" even with a gentle push.

"So that's why it was up in the air," Manning said, his voice growing louder.


NASCAR has always been farcical in their design and implementation of rules, but especially so with their "review" of rules, never ever EVER backing down from a decision, even in the face of scientific evidence, angry fans/drivers, etc.

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When's DEGA FEVER? :( :flag: :8:


worst holiday on the planet besides valentimes day halloween

What's wrong with DEGA?


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simonracer wrote:
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When's DEGA FEVER? :( :flag: :8:


worst holiday on the planet besides valentimes day halloween

What's wrong with DEGA?

Nothing's wrong with DEGA. In fact, it's fucking awesome..... in the spring.

The fall races have tended to be shit, whether it be drivers being too scared to do anything in the COT beside single-file shit race in '07, NASCAR dropping the iron fist on bump drafting in '09, or a bullshit finish in '08.

Hell, the Truck commentators dressing up like Batman villains last year was more exciting.


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Nothing's wrong with DEGA. In fact, it's fucking awesome..... in the spring.

The fall races have tended to be shit, whether it be drivers being too scared to do anything in the COT beside single-file shit race in '07, NASCAR dropping the iron fist on bump drafting in '09, or a bullshit finish in '08.

Hell, the Truck commentators dressing up like Batman villains last year was more exciting.

Oh yeah, I remember that now.


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I'm personally inclined to believe that 2010 will be a little different.

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Hell, Talladega's the only race I'm watching during the Chase besides maybe Martinsville and Phoenix.

simonracer wrote:
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When's DEGA FEVER? :( :flag: :8:


worst holiday on the planet besides valentimes day halloween

What's wrong with DEGA?


Nothing, really. Just on a horrible holiday.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:26 am 
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Dega is later in the season this year, so there's every chance JJ will have the Championship pretty much wrapped up by then and the drivers can go all out for the race victory without worrying about "the chase"

Seems to be the way its going anyway.

This week? The race will be background noise until something interesting happens...


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Joe A wrote:
I'm personally inclined to believe that 2010 will be a little different.

Sure as hell hope so. Another shitty fall Dega race would just suck.


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I'm with Joey on this one. I think it will be very good. Most likely not nearly as good as the spring race, but still.


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simonracer wrote:
When's DEGA FEVER? :( :flag: :8:


The extra special DEGA FEVER!

My first time at a race 8)

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LOL @ NASCAR front page pic,

Joey looks like a real pussy haha.

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Race being pre-empted by football. Stream for ESPN Classic:

http://www.justin.tv/outsiders_2


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Cartman wrote:
Race being pre-empted by football. Stream for ESPN Classic:

http://www.justin.tv/outsiders_2



I got golf here. :( Sweet, thx for the stream. Damn golf. :yuk:

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Edwards wrecked himself.


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Kyle Busch just self spun..Only fell back to 4th though.


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We got a real barn burner again.


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The racing for the first 5-10 laps after the restart is great...after that..not so much.


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This race has turned into a cautionfest now.


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Joey Logano gets the win.


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It was building up to be something great and it ends like every other Nationwide Race, like shit.


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