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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:21 pm 
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There are number of people who complain about certain drivers.
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Dicksplaash wrote:
Remember when we all hated on Johnson? Seems a long time ago now. What an amazing career he's had. We all rave about Jeff Gordon, but Johnson beat him from pretty much from year one.

Hats off, I hope 2020 treats him well.


Dominance always creates hate. It's not Johnson that was hated but his championship results ;)

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Dicksplaash wrote:
We all rave about Jeff Gordon, but Johnson beat him from pretty much from year one.


Respect to Johnson and he was among the best, but I think having Chad Knaus for most of his career was the difference in ultimate stats. Had Gordon been able to hold on to Evernham through the '00s who knows what the results would have been. It's a shame crew chiefs don't get the same level of recognition and applause at the end of their careers that drivers do.

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Agree. You can practically split Gordon's career up into the Evernham Years and the Post-Evernham Years.


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I think Gordon deserves some special recognition for finding a way to win with crewchiefs as mediocre as Brian Whitesell and BIG STEEV LETARTE.

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Jimmie's the ultimate wheelman. His ability to drive loose cars with enormous power left even drivers like Jeff Gordon in awe. It's no wonder he's had enough now. The current package is a crapshoot at the best of times. More about the car and track position, like a plate race and raw talent can't make as much of a difference as during Jimmie's championship years. It's the same reason Stewart left too.


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Philthy82 wrote:
Dicksplaash wrote:
We all rave about Jeff Gordon, but Johnson beat him from pretty much from year one.


Respect to Johnson and he was among the best, but I think having Chad Knaus for most of his career was the difference in ultimate stats. Had Gordon been able to hold on to Evernham through the '00s who knows what the results would have been. It's a shame crew chiefs don't get the same level of recognition and applause at the end of their careers that drivers do.


Agree.
The thing with Johnson is that his 7 championships are a result of that fabricated chase system, which somehow doesnt give that same feel than what those old championdrivers before the chase achieved.
Still he has 7 titles and is in the ranks with other legendary drivers thats for sure.


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Easily stands out as one of the best of his era, but he is also dull as dishwater.


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Looks like there were some shenanigans at Homestead to manipulate the bottom of the standings: https://au.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/ne ... d/4603478/

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Landon is out of the 00 - StarCom still has him on contract however & plans to honor it

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Looks like there were some shenanigans at Homestead to manipulate the bottom of the standings: https://au.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/ne ... d/4603478/

first non-charter car gets $650k out of the points fund, which is what set this shenanigans up


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SB83 wrote:
Jimmie's the ultimate wheelman. His ability to drive loose cars with enormous power left even drivers like Jeff Gordon in awe. It's no wonder he's had enough now. The current package is a crapshoot at the best of times. More about the car and track position, like a plate race and raw talent can't make as much of a difference as during Jimmie's championship years. It's the same reason Stewart left too.



lol, not sure i'd label him "the ultimate wheelman." he was good with high-downforce cars, but i'm not sure he'd have the same level of success pre-COT or minus chad knaus


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She was with Kyle during pre-race ceremonies yesterday. TBH, other than $$$, I don't know what a woman could possibly see in him.


NASCAR has been guilty of in-breeding for a while. I have no idea what she was doing for life b4 she met Kyle. It's not like these NASCAR WAGs were even remotely known models or country singers or sth. It seems to be their high-water mark was being a captain for a HS cheerleading squad :roll:


you gotta give her credit tho - he's not nearly the douchebag he was before getting hitched; and i respect her for that


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Pocono's doubleheader weekend will feature a 325 mile & 350 mile races for Cup. Xfinity, Trucks & ARCA will stay the same
https://www.poconoraceway.com/2020-nasc ... unced.html


feels similar to how v8 supercars do their weekends


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Jimmie's the ultimate wheelman. His ability to drive loose cars with enormous power left even drivers like Jeff Gordon in awe. It's no wonder he's had enough now. The current package is a crapshoot at the best of times. More about the car and track position, like a plate race and raw talent can't make as much of a difference as during Jimmie's championship years. It's the same reason Stewart left too.



lol, not sure i'd label him "the ultimate wheelman." he was good with high-downforce cars, but i'm not sure he'd have the same level of success pre-COT or minus chad knaus

Quite the opposite. High downforce / low power were his Achilles heel. He sucked in Busch cars and he sucked in Cup last few years once downforce was amped up.


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Johnson sideways all the time the last 3 laps, at least! And Stewart 3rd. Last green flag run 71 laps. I remember thinking back then, "why are not all NASCAR races like this?" Instead this was an anomaly which NASCAR read nothing out of.


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SB83 wrote:
trout wrote:
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Jimmie's the ultimate wheelman. His ability to drive loose cars with enormous power left even drivers like Jeff Gordon in awe. It's no wonder he's had enough now. The current package is a crapshoot at the best of times. More about the car and track position, like a plate race and raw talent can't make as much of a difference as during Jimmie's championship years. It's the same reason Stewart left too.



lol, not sure i'd label him "the ultimate wheelman." he was good with high-downforce cars, but i'm not sure he'd have the same level of success pre-COT or minus chad knaus

Quite the opposite. High downforce / low power were his Achilles heel. He sucked in Busch cars and he sucked in Cup last few years once downforce was amped up.


before the COT (2007) cup cars only produced about 500lbs of downforce. in 2016 nascar REDUCED downforce from 2,700lbs to 1,800, which is still over 1,000lbs difference from pre-COT levels. i'd say the bigger factor here is chad knaus not the downforce, but the arrival of the COT obviously suited jimmy's driving style


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trout wrote:
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lol, not sure i'd label him "the ultimate wheelman." he was good with high-downforce cars, but i'm not sure he'd have the same level of success pre-COT or minus chad knaus

Quite the opposite. High downforce / low power were his Achilles heel. He sucked in Busch cars and he sucked in Cup last few years once downforce was amped up.


before the COT (2007) cup cars only produced about 500lbs of downforce. in 2016 nascar REDUCED downforce from 2,700lbs to 1,800, which is still over 1,000lbs difference from pre-COT levels. i'd say the bigger factor here is chad knaus not the downforce, but the arrival of the COT obviously suited jimmy's driving style

NASCAR also reduced horsepower in 2015 as well however, I think that's more of a reason why Jimmie is struggling rather than downforce. Same for all of the other dirt & off-road guys at times as well.


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what a horrible move by NASCAR


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Boomers, dude.


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Boomers, dude.

not only this, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a ultimatum by the big pharma companies that run like half of the ads during races also


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