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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Being angry and throwing a physical punch: Okay.

Being angry and giving someone a middle finger without making physical contact: Not okay.

Nice work, team.


Well, both Burton and Gordon will have to face some discipline. Maybe sit down for a race, too. After all, that precedent was set years ago (Jimmy Spencer punching Kurt Busch). If they penalized Kyle Busch, they need to penalize both Jeffs.


None of them should have to face any discipline because Nascar is basically forcing them to be emotionless and act like they don't even give a shit
43 Jimmie Johnsons would be terrible for the sport, but I doubt they even care


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jacksonedb wrote:
Joe A wrote:
Brendan Kaczmarek wrote:
Being angry and throwing a physical punch: Okay.

Being angry and giving someone a middle finger without making physical contact: Not okay.

Nice work, team.


Well, both Burton and Gordon will have to face some discipline. Maybe sit down for a race, too. After all, that precedent was set years ago (Jimmy Spencer punching Kurt Busch). If they penalized Kyle Busch, they need to penalize both Jeffs.


None of them should have to face any discipline because Nascar is basically forcing them to be emotionless and act like they don't even give a shit
43 Jimmie Johnsons would be terrible for the sport, but I doubt they even care


What I'm saying is that they're going to have to follow their precedents. I'm not saying that drivers shouldn't act devoid of any emotions (and I wish you folks would stop acting like there's one or the other), I'm saying that NASCAR needs to follow their precedents. Since Gordon started the fight, he's going to have to sit down for a race.

Jeff Purvis was sat down for a race or two in 1998 and Jimmy Spencer was sat down for a race in 2003. They need to follow this.

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Sponsors are too powerful now so I don't think that will happen unfortunately.


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Yeah but Joey, NASCAR put themselves in an weird spot with the have at it boys. Kyle got punished a couple laps because he was fucking with NASCAR and flipping them off. Gordon and Burton were "having at it" and to be honest, I dont expect anything from NASCAR punishment wise.

Purvis and Spencer were both during the days of NASCAR trying to clean their act up and be all PC. Now the fans want the drivers to show emotion and go at it and to be honest, the fans I bet loved seeing them two go at it and I bet NASCAR knows that.


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I don't remember the Purvis incident... :(


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They'll just fine them. It's better then using their cars to ram each other instead. Parking them will actually set a worse example.


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Nascar has fundamentally changed their image though, and publicly so. They've advertised the fact that it's now all about "LET 'EM RACE," and short of drivers intentionally putting other guys in the fence, they've kept their hands out of it (and even then...)

If they keep to what they've done this year (Edwards on probation? Logano/Harvick?), then they can't penalize either of the Jeffs... If they can't penalize either of the Jeffs, they shouldn't have penalized Kyle, if you see my logic.

Bascially Nascar is terrible for penalizing Busch and will be even more terrible if they penalize either Burton or Gordon.


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SecretAgentHarvick wrote:
I don't remember the Purvis incident... :(

Was a short track race at one of them bull rings back in the day. There is a youtube vid of it. Basically Purvis got wrecked and decided to go all Days of Thunder on the other guy and the crews started battling and yeah, was good ol fashion fistfightin.


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I'd have been ok if nascar penalized busch after the race was done, but to take 2 laps from him DURING the race is stupid.


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SecretAgentHarvick wrote:
I don't remember the Purvis incident... :(

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGiASNq6eDk[/youtube]


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You know, I like Jeff Gordon. That's how you should settle a conflict. Helmets off, man-to-man.


Actually the best way would be to settle it without fighting like a couple of fucking five-year-olds.


as if you would fight any differently


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What was the Purvis incident?

found video never mind


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Coyotekart1 wrote:
Yeah but Joey, NASCAR put themselves in an weird spot with the have at it boys. Kyle got punished a couple laps because he was fucking with NASCAR and flipping them off. Gordon and Burton were "having at it" and to be honest, I dont expect anything from NASCAR punishment wise.

Purvis and Spencer were both during the days of NASCAR trying to clean their act up and be all PC. Now the fans want the drivers to show emotion and go at it and to be honest, the fans I bet loved seeing them two go at it and I bet NASCAR knows that.


This is understandable, but I wonder if NASCAR really had physical violence on their minds. That being said, they probably didn't have someone send another into a catch fence and almost into grandstands on their minds, and they didn't do shit to that, even though they should have done something for that (and they really needed to).


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Coyotekart1 wrote:
Kyle got punished a couple laps because he was fucking with NASCAR and flipping them off.

No he didn't. Kyle got punished a couple of laps because he called everyone at NASCAR everything but white men, as per everyone else over the past decade or more who's called everyone at NASCAR everything but white men.

Oddly enough Kyle's punishment (a multiple lap penalty) is consistently how NASCAR's dealt with that sort of thing, even as far as Kyle Petty back in 1995.


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Brendan Kaczmarek wrote:
Nascar has fundamentally changed their image though, and publicly so. They've advertised the fact that it's now all about "LET 'EM RACE," and short of drivers intentionally putting other guys in the fence, they've kept their hands out of it (and even then...)

If they keep to what they've done this year (Edwards on probation? Logano/Harvick?), then they can't penalize either of the Jeffs... If they can't penalize either of the Jeffs, they shouldn't have penalized Kyle, if you see my logic.

Bascially Nascar is terrible for penalizing Busch and will be even more terrible if they penalize either Burton or Gordon.


"Let 'em race" is directed towards competitors' interactions with one another, NASCAR still doesn't like when drivers criticize something the corporate or sanctioning sanctioning body does. So that's why Kyle was penalized and the Jeffs shouldn't. In support of that, didn't NASCAR fine Denny Hamlin earlier this year for criticizing NASCAR?


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If either Burton or Gordon are even fined for that it'll be fucking ridiculous. All they did was shove each other around a bit. It's not like Gordon sucker punched him.

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Wow Chad Little did commentary back in the day?

What ever happened to him?


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Lol Gordons crew are over a second faster :lol:


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