Formula 1 Gran Premio de México 2019

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:10 pm

Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez

Last year's race

Lewis Hamilton clinched his 5th world championship after finishing 4th. Max Verstappen won with both Ferraris on the podium.

Season standings
after 17 races

Code:

DRIVERS
POS   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   CAR   PTS
1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   MERCEDES   338
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   MERCEDES   274
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   FERRARI   221
4   Max Verstappen   NED   RED BULL RACING HONDA   212
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   FERRARI   212
6   Carlos Sainz   ESP   MCLAREN RENAULT   76
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   73
8   Alexander Albon   THA   RED BULL RACING HONDA   64
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   RENAULT   42
10   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   RENAULT   35
11   Sergio Perez   MEX   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   35
12   Lando Norris   GBR   MCLAREN RENAULT   35
13   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   33
14   Kimi Räikkönen   FIN   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   31
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   HAAS FERRARI   20
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   19
17   Romain Grosjean   FRA   HAAS FERRARI   8
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   4
19   Robert Kubica   POL   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   1
20   George Russell   GBR   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   0

CONSTRUCTORS
POS   TEAM   PTS
1   MERCEDES   612
2   FERRARI   433
3   RED BULL RACING HONDA   323
4   MCLAREN RENAULT   111
5   RENAULT   77
6   SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA   59
7   RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES   54
8   ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI   35
9   HAAS FERRARI   28
10   WILLIAMS MERCEDES   1

Timetables
all times are local (GMT-5)

Code:

FRIDAY 25th OCTOBER        
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   09:00 - 09:30
Formula 1   Practice 1   10:00 - 11:30
Formula 4 NACAM Championship   Practice Session   12:00 - 12:25
Formula 1   Press Conference   12:00 - 13:00
Formula 1    Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   12:30 - 13:00
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   12:30 - 13:20
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   13:00 - 13:30
Formula 1   Practice 2
14:00 - 15:30
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Practice Session   16:00 - 16:45
Formula 4 NACAM Championship   Qualifying Session   17:10 - 17:35
Panamericana Series   Practice Session   18:00 - 18:25
         
SATURDAY 26th OCTOBER        
Formula 1   Team Pit Stop Practice   08:00 - 08:45
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   08:00 - 09:15
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   08:45 - 09:15
Formula 1   Practice 3   10:00 - 11:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Qualifying Session   11:30 - 12:00
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   12:10 - 12:30
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   12:10 - 12:45
Formula 1   Qualifying   13:00 - 14:00
Formula 1   Press Conference   14:00 - 15:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   First Race (16 Laps or 30 Mins)   14:30 - 15:05
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Truck Tour   15:15 - 15:45
Formula 4 NACAM Championship   First Race (12 Laps or 25 Mins)   16:10 - 16:40
Panamericana Series   Qualifying Session   17:05 - 17:30
         
SUNDAY 27th OCTOBER
     
Panamericana Series   Race (12 Laps or 30 Mins)   08:20 - 08:55
Formula 4 NACAM Championship   Second Race (12 Laps or 25 Mins)   09:20 - 09:50
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup   Second Race (16 Laps or 30 Mins)   10:15 - 10:50
Formula 1   Formula 1 Pirelli Hot Laps   11:00 - 11:20
Paddock Club   Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk   11:20 - 12:00
Paddock Club   Global Partner Paddock Club Truck Tour   11:25 - 11:55
Formula 1   Drivers' Parade (Cars)   11:30 - 12:00
Formula 1   Starting Grid Presentation   12:00 - 12:15
Formula 1   National Anthem   12:54 - 12:56
Promoter Activity   Helicopter Fly Past TBC   12:58 - 13:00
Formula 1   Grand Prix (71 Laps or 120 Mins)   13:10 - 15:10
Promoter Activity   After Podium Show   15:10 - 16:10

one more year grieving for Peraltada

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:23 pm

If Hamilton outscores Bottas by 14 points, he is champion in Mexico.

Karan · PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:22 pm

I would expect this to be another track where Ferrari ought to be comfortably 1-2 in qualifying given the circuit characteristics. But wouldn't be surprised if yet again Mercedes give them a strong run for their money in the race.

sennadesillva · PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:00 am

Red Bull is always a factor here but the unknown is how this year's Honda engine will preform with the higher altitude. We could (hopefully) see something unexpected out of them, I'm expecting a very close top 6, for qualy at least. With Hamilton all but guaranteed the championship, I don't see him putting up much a of a challenge if he doesn't qualify on pole. Part of whats helped RBR take wins here the last 2 years as well.

SFM · PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:23 pm

It will be a special GP for me because I had the chance the walk the entire track since the last GP. While F1 does it in 1min10s, I did it in 1h10min :lol:

The stadium was closed off unfortunately because they were building up for some concert but it was interesting to see how close the city is to the track. I also got the chance to stand in the race director's box at the grid and the view was badass!
For the WDC, I don't think that HAM can already clinch it since the two Mercedes are usually relatively close to each other but you never know what will happen.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:11 am

A reminder of just how bumpy it used to be, The esses in particular :ohmy:

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:31 am

Ferrari 1-2
Red Bull 3-4 (or 2-3 if Vettel gonna Vettel)
Mercedes 5-6 (Not a good track for them, maybe a mclaren or Renault gets between them off the start leading to pit strategy stress)

No Rain

Fabs · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:16 am

Mercedes 1-4

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:53 pm

Fabs wrote:

Mercedes 1-4

But Rain tho?

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:14 pm

more like Ferrari eliminating themselves

James B · PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:17 pm

A Ferrari will qualify on pole, Mercedes will be nowhere until Lewis sticks it on the front row in the last seconds of qualifying, then Ferrari somehow conspire to fuck up the race, Lewis wins, and we don't even get the satisfaction of the title being settled because Bottas will finish 3rd

Schumifan · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:16 am

Hamilton 1-2

kals · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:35 am

Scotty wrote:

I had a dream last night that I got sick from Mexican food.

So you've been to a Chipotle recently then?

Gabriel · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:03 am

StefMeister wrote:

A reminder of just how bumpy it used to be, The esses in particular :ohmy:

Woah, didn't saw that onboard before...that's really bumpy.

Gotta love those manual gearboxes!

webbsy · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:28 am

A non "progressive" F1 fan here. I just can't watch these old videos anymore without feeling sad. Instead of having drivers barely able to hold onto the wheel and muscle the cars around, having to modulate the throttle, they are now able to take 130 R flat...with one hand on the wheel...crossed over....whilst holding the mirror.

I know that the field spread was huge back in the day, and the racing more often than not was the same if not lower quality than today and for good reason. The cars were difficult to drive and you really needed a good car. But at least you knew that these things were fucking monsters to drive. Now an average F2 driver with minimal car time can jump in these things and be 2-2.5 seconds off the pace. Like in any era its that last two to three tenths that makes the great drivers great though.

I am starting to think that even a Jean Louis Deletraz in a modern Merc would be doing just as good a job as Bottas.

kals · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:36 am

webbsy wrote:

A non "progressive" F1 fan here. I just can't watch these old videos anymore without feeling sad. Instead of having drivers barely able to hold onto the wheel and muscle the cars around, having to modulate the throttle, they are now able to take 130 R flat...with one hand on the wheel...crossed over....whilst holding the mirror.

I know that the field spread was huge back in the day, and the racing more often than not was the same if not lower quality than today and for good reason. The cars were difficult to drive and you really needed a good car. But at least you knew that these things were fucking monsters to drive. Now an average F2 driver with minimal car time can jump in these things and be 2-2.5 seconds off the pace. Like in any era its that last two to three tenths that makes the great drivers great though.

I am starting to think that even a Jean Louis Deletraz in a modern Merc would be doing just as good a job as Bottas.

While your point stands and I agree, it's also still worth remember that the 130R was heavily re-profiled in 2003 and from then on was always easy flat.

deggis · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:28 am

Modern powersteering is probably the biggest single factor what makes current cars look easy (so to say) to drive.

It is interesting to compare to Indycar, which still doesn't have a powersteering. Even on the smooth COTA it looks more hectic, and harder, because of the perception that the driver has to do more to get the car to turn.

deggis · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:40 am

F1 is going to stream all sessions on Twitch (Mexican GP only) in 6 countries (Germany, Switzerland, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway and Sweden).

The press release doesn't make it clear what the feed will be (F1TV I hope) and with what comms, only confirms that there will be a German "co-stream" with some German Youtube "influencers" in those 3 German speaking countries.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:26 am

webbsy wrote:

A non "progressive" F1 fan here. I just can't watch these old videos anymore without feeling sad. Instead of having drivers barely able to hold onto the wheel and muscle the cars around, having to modulate the throttle, they are now able to take 130 R flat...with one hand on the wheel...crossed over....whilst holding the mirror.

I know that the field spread was huge back in the day, and the racing more often than not was the same if not lower quality than today and for good reason. The cars were difficult to drive and you really needed a good car. But at least you knew that these things were fucking monsters to drive. Now an average F2 driver with minimal car time can jump in these things and be 2-2.5 seconds off the pace. Like in any era its that last two to three tenths that makes the great drivers great though.

I am starting to think that even a Jean Louis Deletraz in a modern Merc would be doing just as good a job as Bottas.

Maybe it's age but drivers from that era (and before) felt like God-like heroes, a select handful that can even think about taming the imperfect, dirty, unruly monster they're given. Today's drivers feel like… kids who got trained specifically and logically brought to drive these clean perfect cars custom-made for them.

I had the chance to drive (not race, drive…) two single-seaters, a fully manual with clutch + gear lever in the cockpit, and one with paddle-shifting semi-auto. The first experience felt more visceral, primal, physical, like you're driving a race car. The second one felt like a video game in comparison.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:12 am

There was more danger

drivers were exposed, there was no HANS, kerbs were ramps, not many tyre barriers, gravel traps were raked, crash protection not very strong, less grip, no power steering, less computers

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