F1 2011 Round 15 Japanese GP - Suzuka

acopip · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:18 pm

phil1993 wrote:

Title Numero Three must be the aim for Seb then. Youngest treble world champ was Senna at the age of 31y 06m 29d. Therefore Vettel has another 7 years

Senna was champion in 88,90,91

I think only Fangio and Schumacher made treble WDCs.

ryan86 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:32 pm

I think phil means 3 titles in total, not necessarily consecutive.

It has to be said though that most of the grid can still acheive that milestone though.

Alonso has one more chance.

Karan · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:52 pm

At the rate he's been going, I suspect by mid 2012, we should see Vettel 3rd overall in pole positions behind Schumacher & Senna.

Metzo · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:23 pm

Omega wrote:

meh, boring race
4

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:32 pm

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:33 pm

button.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:40 pm

ryan86 wrote:

I think phil means 3 titles in total, not necessarily consecutive.

Yup.

I do wonder if there ever will be someone younger to achieve such success. I mean, 2 world titles by the age of 24 and a half. Unless you get some super-star who starts in a top team when he's 20, its difficult to imagine it being broken. Not least for another 10 or so years as the current crop are likely to stay there for a long while.

Magnifico · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:46 pm

Alonso. That car shouldn't be finishing in 2nd.

Omega · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:08 pm

I'm surprised to see how so many people rate this GP high. Nothing happened at the front except for pit stops, some things happened at the back but weren't shown. So I saw a boring GP. I can't give points for "it happened but it wasn't shown on tv".

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:37 pm

NVirkkula wrote:

StefMeister wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

I'd perhaps propose a slight change to DRS next year.

Id propose banning it

However if they do insist on keeping it I think there are a couple ways of making it less effective or at least a bit less artificial. Im not sure that simply having a shorter zone is the best solution as even with shorter zones we still see some easy passes, I think these would be better solutions.

Shorten the distance required at the detection point so that DRS gets activated less often. If you say the car behind has to be say 0.5 behind at the detection line it would mean DRS may not get activated as often with a battle between cars of similar speed. However it's likely it would be easier for a car behind to get DRS if he was substantially quicker than the car he is chasing.

Could also make the wing flap open less so it doesn't give as much of a speed advantage in order to hopefully eliminate the easier moves caused by the DRS car having so much more speed.

However I still the best option is to make it avaliable to everyone everywhere around the track & running it like a P2P system with each driver getting 20 uses through a race. Alternatively they could ditch DRS & just run KERS this way where everyone gets 20 uses for 6 seconds a push.

I don't like the idea of reducing the DRS activation down to 0,5 or 0,4secs from the 1,0sec. I think DRS is better for catching up and keeping up with the leader. Instead of having a DRS zones, it would be massively better if a driver on a run could use it when ever he likes as long as he's - say - maybe 2 secs behind the car in front. How ever, when he would close the gap down to - say - 0,3secs or so, the DRS would shut down automatically.

This would make the overtaking a bit more difficult compared to current system, but yet the drivers could close the gaps and keep the racing more interesting.

Thing is, DRS was intended to counteract the dirty air that makes closing difficult when within half a second of the car in front. Cars haven't had as much trouble closing within a second as they have turning that >second gap into a pass.

So my solution is, ditch DRS, stop taking the easy way out and make some changes that properly reduce turbulence behind the car in front. Standardized diffusers for instance.

Dan Belcher · PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:30 pm

Ground effects like the ones used in IndyCar back in the mid 90s are less affected by turbulent air than downforce created by the wings. But F1 absolutely refuses to go that route for some reason.

schumifan69 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:47 pm **Posts:** 144

6 only, nothing special

schumifan69 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:47 pm **Posts:** 144

Button

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:02 am

6 - was struggling to stay awake and loss focus on the race, couldn't enjoy it

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:06 am

Perez for fighting through the field to get some important points and getting more attention to seek a future at Maranello

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:50 am

Exhibit A: Indycar. Exhibit B: Formula Nippon. Sure, neither are as pure fast as F1 but they prove that an open wheel series can reach 300kph speeds on road courses without retarded turbulence making it impossible to pass.

Lucasjeha · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:31 am

Gave it a 4, its hard for me to say that, but it was one of the worst races of the season

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:58 am

Obviously boring racing is not the goal here and TBH that's a cop-out, that's why I said they need to stop taking the easy way out and find a solution to the turbulence when following. F1 is far from clean sheet when it comes to aero design now anyway, they enforced a complete change of aero in '99 to combat the turbulence issue, and while it didn't work it also didn't result in F1 becoming a spec series. They just need to continue down that path perhaps by focussing on diffusers, rather than applying another on/off gimmick.

Trust me, DRS ain't the future. Any money says that within 2 years it's out of the sport. It's a temporary band-aid to counteract the current anti-competitive aero issues in the cars, has proven to be woefully inconsistent in how it works out track by track, and after this year's phase-in period you'll hear drivers and teams complain about it a lot more next year.

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:12 am

Perez had luck to have the SC in the perfect time for his strategy, and that's where his result mainly came from. Button had one of the best cars and his rival(Vettel) had bad pit calls.

I'm impressed with so little vote Schumacher got. He genuinely put a Mercedes in front of a Ferrari and only a few seconds away from Hamilton. To me, clearly the best man by a country mile.

aerogi · PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:07 am

Button. In your face Lewis!

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