2019 Formula One Random Discussion Thread

Fabs · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:59 pm

James B wrote:

kals wrote:

Philthy82 wrote:

As much as everyone here loves to rag on Ralf, he won more races than many drivers put on a pedestal here. Had he won a championship he'd be no worse a one-hit wonder than Villeneuve.

The problem with the two drivers mentioned is that they had masses of unfulfilled potential. Both were great talents who plateaued far too soon, spending the latter stage of their F1 careers mired in mediocrity. Hence why they both get ragged on.

I'm not sure Ralf had that much unfulfilled potential. I'd argue that he's the classic example of a driver who almost totally maximised it - perhaps ignoring the last year or two where he clearly lost motivation. But I agree that he was better than people give him. His "even a bad driver can win a race" quote would be up there with Webber's "not bad for a number 2 driver" if he'd said it in the social media age

When Montoya says you're properly fast, then I think Ralf was pretty good. He just wasn't consistent and had some races where you would say "what the hell is he doing in 9th?" when the Williams was a podium car.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:37 pm

Ralf was just the epitome of the "fast in qualifying, can lead but he can't RACE" kind of driver

If he got pole, he'd usually dominate the race, including beating his brother that way a couple of times

If he wasn't able to lead, he just couldn't do shit to overtake.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:42 pm

I always thought that Ralf was half decent, if he had a good car that was working well. It was in the races where the car wasn't at its best, that he didn't seem able to extract the maximum out of it.

He probably deserved to win in 1999 at the Nurburgring (along with Frentzen).

RtN · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:57 pm

micha wrote:

If it wasnt for his brother I doubt Ralf would have made it to F1 at all.

Being the younger brother opened up a lot of doors to teams and more importantly, sponsors.

He wasnt a slouch. Won Macau, won FNippon as a rookie. Maybe having Willi Weber as his manager helped but it wasn't as if he needed to be sold to teams on the basis of 'this is Michael's brother'. Being Rolf's son was probably more helpful at the beginning of his career.

VirtuaIceMan · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:18 pm

Vietnam simulated; thoughts?

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:23 pm

Ralf was competent but not mega

iks · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:13 am

Omega wrote:

Coulthard, Barrichello, Massa, Irvine, Montoya, Webber could all have become world champion.

Half of the current grid could be world champion had they been in the Mercedes.

Even Stroll, Albon, Ericsson, hell maybe even Chilton, could be world champion in the recent Mercedes cars. I'm not saying Hamilton isn't talented but the car is just...really well put together and the team itself knows how to win, which is unfortunate for the rest of the field and people like me who want to see some actual competition for the win and not for 4th place. :cry:

Cartman · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:27 am

VirtuaIceMan wrote:

Vietnam simulated; thoughts?

I wish I could make proper judgment of this, but the fucking halo is getting in the way. :roll:

Move the camera higher up FFS.

EAS · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:26 am

VirtuaIceMan wrote:

Vietnam simulated; thoughts?

The long flat-out sector doesn't seem that long when you see like this. And the circuit feels very narrow too.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:51 am

it does looks like a generic Gran Turismo street track

webbsy · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 am

Vietnam...meet Valencia, Sochi and Korea. Three of the most awesome tracks around. They are your brothers.

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:40 am

webbsy wrote:

Vietnam...meet Valencia, Sochi and Korea. Three of the most awesome tracks around. They are your brothers.

I was going to say something like "first sector is ok, but the last few corners turns it to meh" but Webbsy here said it best. My expectations are now lowered to regular F1 Tilkedrome standards.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:31 am

Yeah, my first thought was Valencia. It doesn't feel like a true street circuit because the barriers move back at every corner, and the apexes are curbs rather than an inside wall. Takes the challenge away completely. Hopefully the actual racing will be better than Valencia.

Vassago · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:24 pm

Philthy82 wrote:

As much as everyone here loves to rag on Ralf, he won more races than many drivers put on a pedestal here. Had he won a championship he'd be no worse a one-hit wonder than Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was no one-hit wonder if you consider his IndyCar days.

As for Ralf, well, he will always be remembered as Mikey's brother but to his defense and why he even ended up with a solid F1 career, younger brothers are usually viewed as the more talented going forward bc they enjoy the tutelage from the elder ones. Jackie Stewart & Jody Scheckter being prime examples in F1 and then Ricardo Rodriguez based on the potential as well. Schumachers are like the only brother pair with extended F1 experience where the older brother outclassed the younger.

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:56 pm

Vassago wrote:

Philthy82 wrote:

As much as everyone here loves to rag on Ralf, he won more races than many drivers put on a pedestal here. Had he won a championship he'd be no worse a one-hit wonder than Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was no one-hit wonder if you consider his IndyCar days.

As for Ralf, well, he will always be remembered as Mikey's brother but to his defense and why he even ended up with a solid F1 career, younger brothers are usually viewed as the more talented going forward bc they enjoy the tutelage from the elder ones. Jackie Stewart & Jody Scheckter being prime examples in F1 and then Ricardo Rodriguez based on the potential as well. Schumachers are like the only brother pair with extended F1 experience where the older brother outclassed the younger.

I think history will say the same thing about Marc and Alex Marquez in MotoGP.

Fabs · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:45 pm

Another bad new track? No surprise there.

iks · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:58 pm

Boring.

Caspar · PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Shit. Everything is shit nowadays.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:17 am

micha wrote:

If it wasnt for his brother I doubt Ralf would have made it to F1 at all.

I don't know...runner-up in German F3, plus winner at Macau and Formula Nippon champion.

Maybe he got it easier getting into F1, sponsor-wise and all. But any driver with that kind of results would've, at the least, being noticed by F1 teams. At least, with the testing rules at the time, he would've got a test run in Formula 1 machinery.

About Vietman: Shit.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:08 am

That Vietnam track is what you'd get by placing that fences game starting with the dots

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