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De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:29 pm

ellis wrote:

It was interesting as a one off race, but it certainly wasn't entertaining watching everyone drive as slowly as possible so they didn't have to stop, and I think the lack of action is no coincidence either.

That's another thing I hadn't really thought of. We don't tend to see many cars going off the road or having a spin. I always thought it was the cars being easier to drive/the quality of most of the drivers in the field/easy escape run offs. It might just be that nobody is ever really giving it 100%.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:29 pm

Ah yes, thanks

Here's a blog by Buxton, raises a few good points.
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

kals · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:29 pm

ellis wrote:

Of course he was cruising. He just wasn't cruising as much. I'm not interested in watching cars driving around at 6-10 seconds off the pace they can do. Whilst conserving something on the car has always been part of F1, it has never involved sacrificing this much time. 6 seconds could be double the spread of the entire field, yet that is how slowly they have to drive at BEST to win a race? That is pretty crap IMO.

I like tyre management, and have enjoyed the last few seasons, but only because the drivers have been able to push to a reasonable degree too. It really devalues the race for me when it's about how slow you can go, rather than fast. It reminds me of BTCC Drivers losing places so they can get on pole for a reverse grid race. We actually watched cars deliberately lose spots to give themselves an advantage, which is something we seen today with the drivers suffering more extreme wear.

It was interesting as a one off race, but it certainly wasn't entertaining watching everyone drive as slowly as possible so they didn't have to stop, and I think the lack of action is no coincidence either.

You make a fair arguement ellis which I don't necessarily disagree with, but just don't fully agree with either. On one hand the teams chose to do the conversation strategy, but they didn't need to did they? As karan mentioned earlier, it would have been good to see more than one team fighting and pushing hard. And because Ferrari were the only team to have an attacking strategy it makes the situation with Pirelli tyres and issues with conservation worse than it really is. Then on the other hand you mention Alonso was cruising, just not as much as everyone else. True, but compare the race pace and strategy to 2012. In 2012 we had a titanic struggle between Alonso and Maldonado pushing as hard as they could to win. Alonso finish time in 2013 was a mere 7 seconds slower than Maldonado in 2012. So I'd say Alonso was pushing pretty hard today, compared to everyone else.

RtN · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:32 pm

Eric Boullier has told AMuS that Pirelli are doing exactly as they were asked.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:35 pm

One to cheer ellis and nea up...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107395

ellis · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:07 pm

phil1993 wrote:

One to cheer ellis and nea up...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107395

Well a mechanical error is different to the usual Force India strategy of finding the most hilarious option. FI Were actually really good this week. Can anyone tell us what happened with Sutil? potentially cost him a couple of points

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:09 pm

It says so in the article.

ellis · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:12 pm

Oh right, was that the same problem? I thought he had another issue. Maybe I picked that up wrong.

RtN · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:14 pm

He had a crossed wheelnut.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:48 pm

Kudos to pirelli for realising they've gone a mite too far and are going to dial it back.
I find it easy to support them because they do a lot of good for the sport and even when they get things
slightly wrong they're honest about it, which is unusual for f1.

And I'm just picking it up here but did the fia really investigate alonso for picking up a flag?
Jesus, that just puts a cap on the shittiest race in a while.

However, as I said in the ratings thread I don't think just cos there has been 1 bad race, the sky is falling in. F1 will bounce back soon enough.

glorfindel · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:15 pm

Wow, governing bodies don't want to let drivers show any passion do they. Football is as bad with bookings for celebrating with fans.
Very glad they didn't follow through with it.

ellis · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:31 pm

Of course they investigated it. A car stopped on track after the race was finished, picking up an object and then proceeded to be checked for legality. This specific rule is now 19 years old, but earlier versions have existed for a long time. They HAD to investigate it because strictly speaking he broke 2 rules (stopped the car, and picked up an object). But they never did anything about it because they don't want to penalise people picking up flags and stuff, especially in situations like these.

Mountain out of nothing. Rule was broken and investigated. Common sense was applied, nothing was done.

Regiotap · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:44 pm

RtN wrote:

He had a crossed wheelnut.

Shame, because if you don't know better, you think Di Resta is the best men at Force India, but Sutil have so much bad luck this year.

ellis · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 11:06 pm

Regiotap wrote:

RtN wrote:

He had a crossed wheelnut.

Shame, because if you don't know better, you think Di Resta is the best men at Force India, but Sutil have so much bad luck this year.

Potential points lost in 2013 caused by internal issues at FI

Sutil: 4
di Resta: 14

This does not include Massa taking out Suitl in Bahrain and Gutierrez in China (?). And yes, this is being kept track of since nobody seemed to believe nea and I on how hilaribad Force India are with strategy and reliability.

Tom · PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 11:45 pm

phil1993 wrote:

Ah yes, thanks

Here's a blog by Buxton, raises a few good points.
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

I agree with his conclusion but I did not enjoy the race particularly.

ptclaus98 · PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:16 am

ellis wrote:

Of course he was cruising. He just wasn't cruising as much. I'm not interested in watching cars driving around at 6-10 seconds off the pace they can do. Whilst conserving something on the car has always been part of F1, it has never involved sacrificing this much time. 6 seconds could be double the spread of the entire field, yet that is how slowly they have to drive at BEST to win a race? That is pretty crap IMO.

I like tyre management, and have enjoyed the last few seasons, but only because the drivers have been able to push to a reasonable degree too. It really devalues the race for me when it's about how slow you can go, rather than fast. It reminds me of BTCC Drivers losing places so they can get on pole for a reverse grid race. We actually watched cars deliberately lose spots to give themselves an advantage, which is something we seen today with the drivers suffering more extreme wear.

It was interesting as a one off race, but it certainly wasn't entertaining watching everyone drive as slowly as possible so they didn't have to stop, and I think the lack of action is no coincidence either.

Says one of the most active posters in endurance sportscar threads.

ellis · PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:40 am

Yes because that logic totally works. I also watch Top Gear to watch stupid cars and inappropriate jokes. But that doesn't mean I want that in my F1 either does it.

I watch Endurance racing for different reasons to F1. As Brundle said, F1 is a sprint race. And now it's turned into an endurance race, but without the endurance.

kals · PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:21 am

Tom wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

Ah yes, thanks

Here's a blog by Buxton, raises a few good points.
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

I agree with his conclusion

This is exactly what I said earlier. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Will Buxton. Phil1993 will be so proud.

ellis · PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:23 am

Scotty wrote:

Can't believe for once but I'm actually agreeing with Ellis.

All the drivers were running out there like the track was wet they were going so precariously. It's just not how I see F1 racing. Brundle made a good point that people have had to conserve a certain part of the car all through the ages of time, but now all components are reliable as Sunday morning happening every week, we shouldn't let the racing be dictated by tyres. F1 should be about pushing components to the limit, that's why we are losing manufacturers interest.

Hopefully, this was just a once off.

We're not allowed to agree. I'd call you a bellend to try and balance out the love/hate relationship but someone would report me.

Neil · PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:06 pm

So tempted to report you anyway.

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