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2014 Gran Premio Pirelli de España - 9-11th May
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Author:  Omega [ Mon May 12, 2014 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2014 Gran Premio Pirelli de España - 9-11th May

ah, read that wrong

Author:  Cheeveer [ Mon May 12, 2014 4:51 pm ]
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It's just as bad as 1937, this years' Nuvolari is nowhere :(

Author:  Fish88 [ Mon May 12, 2014 4:59 pm ]
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LOL comparing Vettel to Fangio.

Author:  kals [ Mon May 12, 2014 5:14 pm ]
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Stop living in the past dicksplaash

Author:  Cheeveer [ Mon May 12, 2014 5:38 pm ]
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kals wrote:
Stop living in the past dicksplaash


I just want all races to be as exciting as the 1914 French GP, is that too much to ask? :roll:

Author:  kals [ Mon May 12, 2014 5:47 pm ]
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dicksplaash wrote:
kals wrote:
Stop living in the past dicksplaash


I just want all races to be as exciting as the 1914 French GP, is that too much to ask? :roll:


Welll durrr.... Should you even need to ask?

Author:  cookie [ Mon May 12, 2014 7:16 pm ]
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dicksplaash wrote:
kals wrote:
Stop living in the past dicksplaash


I just want all races to be as exciting as the 1914 French GP, is that too much to ask? :roll:


The DRS zones were too long and ruined that race imo

Author:  OS [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:16 pm ]
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cookie wrote:
dicksplaash wrote:
kals wrote:
Stop living in the past dicksplaash


I just want all races to be as exciting as the 1914 French GP, is that too much to ask? :roll:


The DRS zones were too long and ruined that race imo


The number of pit stops was also ridiculous, the tyre suppliers clearly knew nothing about racing.

Author:  Cheeveer [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:20 pm ]
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100 years later and Mercedes are still winning everything. At least back then there were sufficient testing so the other teams could challenge. :roll:

Author:  Karan [ Tue May 13, 2014 4:45 am ]
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Just a random musing here but even though I'm a Vettel fan I don't mind the fact that RBR have come back down to Earth a bit this season but what really pisses me off is Ferrari floundering around trying to be best of the rest when we've got two drivers in Raikkonen & Alonso in the last couple years of their prime being wasted when they could be battling up front with Hamilton & Rosberg giving us what would be an epic show down not just on the track but off track too given their personalities.

Author:  Tobias [ Tue May 13, 2014 9:52 am ]
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when you realise Alonso is always magnificent on race day and Kimi was so close to him on pace as well, you'd have to believe it is the team which is letting them down massively. No excuses as they abandoned last year's development very early on to produce this car.

Author:  Juihi [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:00 am ]
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And you can guarantee that out of everyone, the team are the one's that are pissed off the most

Author:  alex1369 [ Tue May 13, 2014 1:07 pm ]
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I dont know but everytime new rules are introduced like 2005 (1 set of tyres must last whole race), 2009 (new aero rules) 2014 (new aero and engine rules) Ferrari never makes the best of it like it did Red Bull or Mercedes now.
Dont know maybe there arent the right pepole working there. The drivers cant do anything if they get a bad car.
In 2009 Lewis had the same crap. But the team keept pushing and developing the car, and latter it was the fastest car.. and they got some wins too..

Author:  Fish88 [ Tue May 13, 2014 1:21 pm ]
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I think laying the focus early on in the season on the next season might have a big impact. As we have seen with Honda in 2008 and Mercedes 2013. Honda in 2008 put their development focus completely on their 2009 car (with the new rules) this resulted in the glorious Brawn car we know how it ended. In 2013 Mercedes was good in the first half but when they realized they weren't going to catch RBR (with the new Pirelli's) they completely focused on 2014, which now the results are showing (clearly it isn't all due to the engine as Mclaren is showing).

Ferrari's and Mclaren's season is kinda lost I think. If they are going to focus too much on the current car they won't have a great car either next year. Altough with the double points that might still be worth it for this season.

Author:  LucasWheldon [ Tue May 13, 2014 3:57 pm ]
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dunno why didn't they followed Red Bull development team

they have 2 different teams at the plant, one working in the current car and another already pushing efforts for the next year. it seems to be working perfectly, only now they're struggling with the engines

Author:  Artur Craft [ Wed May 14, 2014 2:02 am ]
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Tobias wrote:
when you realise Alonso is always magnificent on race day and Kimi was so close to him on pace as well, you'd have to believe it is the team which is letting them down massively. No excuses as they abandoned last year's development very early on to produce this car.


Kimi indeed was quite close in Barcelona :thumbsup: . It's so frustrating to see both being about to be lapped by both Mercedeses in the end of the race, though
alex1369 wrote:
I dont know but everytime new rules are introduced like 2005 (1 set of tyres must last whole race), 2009 (new aero rules) 2014 (new aero and engine rules) Ferrari never makes the best of it like it did Red Bull or Mercedes now.


In 2005 it wasn't Ferrari's fault, though, to be fair to them. Michelin had a way better tyre than Bridgestone and Ferrari's car alone wasn't that dominant to compensate for it.

I think what has been hurting Ferrari since 2009 is the ban of their 24/7 on track testings(Fiorano and etc).

But I think one thing that is massively hurting them this season, and Red Bull even more, is the PU.

30HP accounts for about 1s and that's the gap of Mercedes to RB in qualifying, and 1,5s to Ferrari. I guess Mercedes PU might have even more power advantage than that. Lotus showed in Barcelona it still have a very good car but the fact that they are still using a previous version of the Renault PU holds them even more than other non-Mercedes powered cars.

Unfortunately, I can't see anything other than a Mercedes front row and double podium in all tracks, bar reliability problems

Author:  webbsy [ Thu May 15, 2014 3:05 am ]
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It ironic, considering that Renault pushed to have these very engines in the first place, then have proceeded to produce the shittest one of the lot.

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