2013 Random F1 Discussion

Tobias · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:36 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Perez and Button replaced by them two.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:38 pm

So McLaren has two talented young drivers but can't find a seat for either of them.

Well, they could always copy Red Bull...

Fish88 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:41 pm

phil1993 wrote:

So McLaren has two talented young drivers but can't find a seat for either of them.

Well, they could always copy Red Bull...

They still have young drivers like Nyck de Vries (although he isn't that impressive so far) and some other young drivers behind those 2.

osella 1986 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:07 pm

Can you confirm you understand the question? Atta boy Felipe

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phil1993 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:14 pm

Fish88 wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

So McLaren has two talented young drivers but can't find a seat for either of them.

Well, they could always copy Red Bull...

They still have young drivers like Nyck de Vries (although he isn't that impressive so far) and some other young drivers behind those 2.

I meant having a 'B' team. After all, there's a vacant 12th slot.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:52 pm

phil1993 wrote:

I meant having a 'B' team. After all, there's a vacant 12th slot.

that was McLaren initial plan in 2007. Prodrive goes with Hamilton and another driver, McLaren stayed with Alonso and de la Rosa, easy WDC and a whole different story, I guess. But they said no to David Richards

ptclaus98 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:38 am

NVirkkula wrote:

Tobias wrote:

meh, you're all wrong. Apparently, during a party in Helsinki, a very drunk Kimi told someone he would be in red next year.

Yes, this was rumoured in mid-August, less than two weeks after Hungarian GP.

Ellis, I don't know what makes you think that this Räikkönen-Ferrari deal was rushed. What I've understood (from Pekka Franck's articles) is that Kimi said to Domenicali in Nürburgring that he's interested to make a comeback if the deal with Red Bull doesn't happen. After that, the deal (or a binder) was signed at the end of July. Money wasn't a problem for either part and Shell announced that they'll be willing to pay Kimi's salary. The negotiation had much more work with small details. Details such as:

- Announcement date is decided by Kimi.
- The announcement must say that the deal is two years and the option for third year should not be mentioned.
- The option for the third year is decided only by Kimi if he wants to use it or not.
- PR stuff was defined on very detailed level, less than before, though.
- Kimi is allowed to do rallying.
- Equality with the team mate.
- Personal apology from Montezemolo to Kimi before signing the final contract.

This was not by any chance a rushed deal, but a very good, time consuming negotiations between Ferrari and Steve Robertson, who during the process kept the focus on "continuing with Lotus" and denied all the talks with Ferrari every single time. Behind the closed doors things were different than what was told to the media.

I wan't to believe this so much but it is bullshit. There is no way in hell LDM goes for that. No. Way. In. Hell.

ellis · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:51 am

Yeah sorry I can barely believe any of that. Kimi calls the shots? Gets an apology? Nah. The idea of it being rushed fits exactly with what Massa said all week.

ptclaus98 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:49 am

Scotty wrote:

Here is how I think it went down

LDM: Want to drive for Ferrari again?
KR: No
LDM: We'll pay you a lot of money
KR OK.

Add a lifetime supply of ice cream and Coke and I can believe it.

EsbenT · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:43 am

Don't forget limitless access to toilets up until the startup procedure begins, hue hue hue!

Juihi · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:37 am

jajajajajajaja!

gd49 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:35 am

Going back to customer cars, if they did have to be introduced would it not be more likely CRT bikes in MotoGP where they're pretty much their own class, not expected to compete with works teams?

As for Raikkonen's contract requirements, I can't see rallying being allowed after Kubica or any personal apologies. Its not like Ferrari were desperate, they could have maintained the status quo with Massa or brought in Hulkenberg.

ellis · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:03 am

gd49 wrote:

Going back to customer cars, if they did have to be introduced would it not be more likely CRT bikes in MotoGP where they're pretty much their own class, not expected to compete with works teams?

Isn't that a perfect example to NOT have customer cars? F1 isn't a 2 class series.

gd49 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:06 am

ellis wrote:

gd49 wrote:

Going back to customer cars, if they did have to be introduced would it not be more likely CRT bikes in MotoGP where they're pretty much their own class, not expected to compete with works teams?

Isn't that a perfect example to NOT have customer cars? F1 isn't a 2 class series.

Yeah I'm not saying its a good thing but if grid numbers got so low I think that'd be the most likely solution. I'm sure MotoGP didn't want a second class but with the lack of entries the organisers didn't have a choice

JJ · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:11 am

Thursday Press Conference now. Every question from the floor is for Kimi

phil1993 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:30 am

As expected...
http://www.f1zone.net/news/raikkonen-fi ... xit/20415/

OS · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:42 am

ellis wrote:

gd49 wrote:

Going back to customer cars, if they did have to be introduced would it not be more likely CRT bikes in MotoGP where they're pretty much their own class, not expected to compete with works teams?

Isn't that a perfect example to NOT have customer cars? F1 isn't a 2 class series.

And if it is then we already have the 'Caterham and Marussia (formerly including HRT)' class.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:21 pm

ptclaus98 wrote:

I wan't to believe this so much but it is bullshit. There is no way in hell LDM goes for that. No. Way. In. Hell.

If that really happened, so Enzo twisted on his grave

and FISA once tried to apply a 2 class racing in F1 back in 1987. We had turbo competition on top and NA competition with the Jim Clark trophy. last title for Tyrrell also

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:31 pm

I don't expect to see Kimi scoring many points for the Lotus for the rest of the year. They don't pay him, and he doesn't have to score for them. The only reason for him to do his best (apart from himself) is to show Ferrari that he's in business. But just for Lotus? No.

highgroove · PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:57 pm

I'd drive for Lotus unpaid tbh!

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