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2016 Formula One Belgian Grand Prix
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Author:  micha [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:30 am ]
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I'm massively torn between "Someone needs to knock some sense into Max" and "oh boo fucking hoo... Someone actually fights for his spot. Get over it".

Frankly, I think both thoughts are correct and Max needs some sense into him and the rest need to stop whining and accept the fact not everyone lets them by so easy.
Author:  siggy [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:30 am ]
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I think Verstappen's reaction after the race is worse then his actions, although they were over the limit imho. He is a spoiled kid, i hope he will learn soon that he has what it takes, but only if his mental side gets worked at. Dive bombing in T1 was an obvious move, he was way to eager. He's not yet smart enough to wait a single corner, just like Jos.

I don't get it what the stewards were (not) doing. Not so long ago, every incident was looked at and everything was punished, now it's a complete reverse. Although it's better, the unsafe release was just crazy. They even touched....

About the race. Lewis didn't have to do anything to get to the podium. A year ago, he would have been 2nd easily. And now he has all the engines he would ever need, so Rosberg loses no matter what.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:39 am ]
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Verstappen is now saying (in almost as many words) that his driving was basically revenge for what he perceives as the Ferraris trying to take him out at the first corner. This is becoming farcical.

siggy wrote:
About the race. Lewis didn't have to do anything to get to the podium. A year ago, he would have been 2nd easily. And now he has all the engines he would ever need, so Rosberg loses no matter what.


Yeah, I think a lot of people haven't picked up on this yet - I certainly hadn't. Even Toto has said the loophole needs closing, albeit only after exploiting it :mrgreen:
Author:  DinoMarko93 [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:14 pm ]
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As I feel it,Max is protected really good from the stewards, he is the "next wonder","18yo winner" this and that, F1 in the top news.
But the moves he makes - commiting to block when the driver behind already takes the line and is faster is just idiotic and dangerous. Small movement or difference in braking area can cause crashes like Alonso's in Australia. And Max makes big, concrete movements. Senna was harsh but mostly fair. Max had just in the last months more unfair moves then the rest of the grid together in last years. He is refreshing but very dangerous and spoiled as he things that his F3 style driving is right.
F1 drivers are here to be best drivers in the world, they have all those steps because they need experience and learn how to be fair to the sport and to the rivals.
He just skipped it ,and jumped into a F1 car, thinking that his F3 behaviour and driving standard will be accepted. His speed is not a question ,but fairness and behaviour is far from F1 standard.
Author:  webbsy [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:00 pm ]
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These are his comments and if he is saying this out loud then he seriously needs a talking to or time out. That is seriously the kind of thinking that gets someone killed.

Quote:
"If they screw up my race, I'm not going to make it easy for them. I think they should understand that.

"I'm not going to say: 'come on through'. But all that happened after Turn 1. If Turn 1 hadn't happened, I wouldn't have been so aggressive and pushed Raikkonen out like that."


http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/174 ... -incidents

I understand the first part of what he says, but the last part is what I have issue with. When you drive these cars at over 300kph "fuck you" just doesn't cut it.
Author:  alex1369 [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:05 pm ]
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I agree with you all about Max, but fuck it if Charlie finds it ok...
No messages "car number 33 under investigation..."
Then it really needs to happen a Alonso/Guttierez crash so that someone realises this is not right how the front driver is moving or making his moves too late..
Author:  acopip [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:43 pm ]
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First time that I got really angry watching Formula 1, in 16 years.
I have no words for the behavior of this kid.
We need someone to sort him out, his boss and the stewards should start with that.
I don't know how someone didn't punch him in the face yet.

Give him a race ban and let Sainz show his capabilities.
But no, he is the 18-year old wonder kid, no-one is going to penalize him for anything.
Even if he killed someone, he would still be blaming the dead guy.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:28 pm ]
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oh wait the kid is playing revenge in one of the most fast tracks in the championship?

FIA should give him a 3 race ban to see if he can learn
Author:  Coldtyre [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:29 pm ]
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Going back to Magnussen's crash, they should probably put more than just two rows of tyres on that wall. The track layout makes it so that it's somehow facing the track, and someone can end there at an even higher speed if they leave the track for other reasons than losing it at Eau Rouge (contact or mechanical).
Author:  Tobias [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:30 pm ]
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No amateur footage of the Magnussen crash?
Author:  Zorba [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:04 pm ]
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Tobias wrote:
No amateur footage of the Magnussen crash?
Author:  JJ [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:35 pm ]
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Thanks for that. I tried to find something, but YouTube is filled with bot-clickbait videos with synthesized voiceovers and still pictures of the crash.
Author:  Bleu [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:58 pm ]
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In the 1980s, this accident was something that was probably close call due to low noses:

Image

Piquet and Ghinzani, Adelaide 1989.
Author:  Mitchell [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:20 am ]
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Holy Shit that could have been fatal!
Author:  Mitchell [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:22 am ]
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Any Vid?
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:12 am ]
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Mitch'stbk24 wrote:
Any Vid?




race would have been red flagged before that kind of thing happen today
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:53 am ]
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Bleu wrote:
In the 1980s, this accident was something that was probably close call due to low noses:

Image

Piquet and Ghinzani, Adelaide 1989.


Thanks! Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often, especially with the tunnel-less diffuser design used in the late 80s and early 90s.

I suppose Hill vs. Schumacher at Monza in #95 could have been like this had it happened a year earlier.
Author:  SBan83 [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:13 pm ]
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I don't even get the "revenge" part Max is talking about regarding the Ferraris. Vettel wasn't aware Kimi had Verstappen alongside and Kimi also did nothing wrong as he was giving Verstappen adequate room.

Problem is once you black flag him for his dangerous chops, you open up a pandora's box of judgement calls in the future. It's not as cut and dry as judging when someone makes 2 blocks in one straight for example.

So Max will only learn the hard way one time.
Author:  Cheeveer [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:33 pm ]
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Yes, or, F1 finally adopts the "no mirror driving" rules like in American road course racing.
Author:  Coldtyre [ Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:58 pm ]
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Some day, Max will need some room desperately, and he will get none because he's losing respect from his peers. It won't happen at 330kph, but it will happen and nobody will take his defense then.
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