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Formula 1 Aramco Magyar Nagydíj 2020
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Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:32 pm ]
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Gaara wrote:
The Haas cars were given a ten sec penalty for pitting at the end of the formation lap. Mags drops to 10th.


When did this become a rule? :o
Author:  James B [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:33 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
Gaara wrote:
The Haas cars were given a ten sec penalty for pitting at the end of the formation lap. Mags drops to 10th.


When did this become a rule? :o


Basically receiving instructions from the team on the formation lap was outlawed a few years ago to minimise the coaching. Turns out telling the drivers to pit was included in that
Author:  Gaara [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:36 pm ]
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I guess Haas were as surprised as we are about this.

So I guess had Kvyat gotten his way he'd have been fine.
Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:37 pm ]
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Willing to bet its because cars heading down pit lane will confused the FIA sensor beam that monitors the start

Well, if It was anything like my race track, that'd do it
Author:  XQR [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:38 pm ]
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You know what isn't against the rules? Jumping the start.
Author:  Stoegi [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:45 pm ]
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I still can't believe that Bottas wasn't punished for jump starting lol
Author:  iks [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:50 pm ]
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Wait what?

I didn't watch the race but that is a bit surprising. :8:
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:10 pm ]
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I've seen domination and terrible seasons before (2002 and 2004 come to mind). I don't know why, but this feels different. Maybe it was the added disappointment of waiting for rain. It feels like Lewis isn't even pushing that hard. Mercedes could probably lap the field if they wanted to. My expectations for the rest of the year are about as low as they've ever been.

Maybe we'll get some good races, but I'd rather not get my hopes up.
Author:  amq55 [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:27 pm ]
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I don't know what the FIA's logic was about Bottas. The only logical explanation I can think of is that he didn't gain an advantage for the jump start because of the hesitation.

Also, Ferrari also wanted to put softs on Vettel but he changed their mind. Saved Ferrari's race.
Author:  Schumifan [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:43 pm ]
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De Cesaris fan wrote:
I've seen domination and terrible seasons before (2002 and 2004 come to mind). I don't know why, but this feels different. Maybe it was the added disappointment of waiting for rain. It feels like Lewis isn't even pushing that hard. Mercedes could probably lap the field if they wanted to. My expectations for the rest of the year are about as low as they've ever been.

Maybe we'll get some good races, but I'd rather not get my hopes up.


I know what you mean. I don't think it helps that we already know it's going to be pretty much the same next year as well.

As for the Haas penalties - what a load of fucking bollocks. Pitting at the end of the formation lap has been a thing in every series for as long as I can remember.
Author:  James B [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:46 pm ]
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amq55 wrote:
I don't know what the FIA's logic was about Bottas. The only logical explanation I can think of is that he didn't gain an advantage for the jump start because of the hesitation.


Same as Vettel in Japan last year, no? Basically it's fine if you don't leave your grid box

I'm not sure why everyone's getting so angry about it - the Autosport forum's full of moaning about it. It was a terrible getaway. I thought Vettel deserved to be penalised last year but if they've decided that's OK, it is at least consistent
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:47 pm ]
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yeah 2002 and 2004 didn't had any kind of engine saving, fuel saving or tire saving, so Mercedes have a car that can do all that and still be faster than anyone

if the tires in 2013 weren't so messy I'm sure that their domination would start a year earlier, but they listened more to Red Bull back then and changed to suit mr blowing diffuser
Author:  James B [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:13 pm ]
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I think the difference now is that the Lewis-Rosberg rivalry was intense and genuinely interesting, so that even when Merc dominated 2014-16, there was some interest in the title fight. Bottas is very good on his day but he's too conservative and inconsistent to challenge Lewis regularly. That's why it feels worse

For me, the most demoralising time was the second half of 2013. If Pirelli had held their nerve, it would've been a great season - right now I'm watching Australia and it was a brilliant strategic race. In the end, we saw the longest winning run in F1 history. At least Ferrari's dominance in 2002 and 2004 was understandable, even if it was infuriating for someone who hated Schumacher at the time
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:52 pm ]
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perhaps could give a good in$entive to Mercedes so they could make both driver clash on track, seeing the they'll win it anyway
Author:  webbsy [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:18 am ]
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Don't forget they changed the rules regarding jump starts. You can now do what Bottas did. Go, stop and then go as long as you don't go out of the pit box, or I'd also hazard a guess, make places.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:43 am ]
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I don't see a problem with Bottas not being penalised for a jumped start. If you react, then stop, then react again after the lights, the chances of gaining an advantage are pretty much zero. I'm sure this new 'sensor' decision is based on that assumption. The 10-15 cm gain in track position doesn't really make up for anything.

Schumifan wrote:
As for the Haas penalties - what a load of fucking bollocks. Pitting at the end of the formation lap has been a thing in every series for as long as I can remember.


The penalty was for 'driver coaching', not for the actual act of pitting. If the drivers had decided themselves to pit, or if the team had called them in for one of the (apparent) 7 permissible reasons, there would have been no penalty.

The technical directive which mentions these reasons isn't public, but I reckon it would cover mechanical problems on the cars and not much else.
Author:  Gaara [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:49 am ]
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Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:58 pm ]
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I was a little unsure about Norris' personality last year. I think he just reminds me that the current drivers breaking into F1 are a lot younger than me and it makes me feel old :lol: Really growing to like him this season.

I'm also wanting Max to do well, which is weird, because I couldn't stand him when he was pulling dangerous defensive moves. He's become so good. The Red Bull had no business finishing ahead of a Mercedes. In an equal car, I think he could match Lewis.
Author:  James B [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:05 pm ]
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Found out today that if Lewis keeps winning, he'll pass Schumacher's win record in Ferrari's 1000th grand prix, so I'm now in favour of this

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Author:  mclaren2008 [ Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:14 pm ]
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I would rather it happen there than the next race in Sochi
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