2016 Random F1 Discussion Thread

Fabs · PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:00 am

Ross Brawn will probably be the new CEO of F1

OS · PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:07 am

Talladega wrote:

Won't this be the record either way? If Hamilton wins it, Rosberg is second with 8 wins.

True. If Hamilton wins the last two races but loses the title then the record would just be higher. Doesn't Rosberg have nine wins?

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:07 am

Fabs wrote:

Ross Brawn will probably be the new CEO of F1

I'm very curious how that will work out, also with Bernie, but I'm glad it's him instead of someone who has had no real experience with F1. I also think RB genuinely cares about the sport, hopefully we'll see a positive effect from it.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:28 pm

Yeaa, Ross is certainly the right man for the job I think.

amq55 · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:20 am

I'd probably prefer Ross over Bernie. Ross is someone who is technically minded and will think 2 or 3 times before deciding and also has taken a step back and seen how is the sport right now without being caged in the parallel universe of the paddock.

Karan · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:24 am

thestig88 wrote:

Should Lewis win the last two races and Rosberg claims the title, it would a record for most wins in a season WITHOUT winning the title!

Yeah it's a cool stat but purely a byproduct of how dominant MGP is and how long the season is. Prost would've probably set the record in 1988 if that season had been 21 races long.

trout · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:35 am

here's a source about the brawn news http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns35180.html?

would be a fantastic move imo

candlejack · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:56 am

Ross Brawn to become sporting boss of F1, not replacing Bernie Ecclestone

James Allen wrote:

Following his interview in the Telegraph on Saturday, we suggested that Brawn could help to shape the future of F1 after he ruled out returning to run a team.

Today, this website has had information that the deal is now agreed and Brawn will mastermind the future sporting elements and regulations of F1, shaping the cars and the sport of the future.

So in this sense he will not be a direct replacement for Bernie Ecclestone as he will not be responsible for dealings on the commercial side of the series.

In much the same way as an F1 team now does not have a single team principal to manage it, dividing the technical responsibility and the CEO/commercial role, it appears that the same will be true with F1 post the Liberty Media ownership switch. For how long Ecclestone remains that commercial hub is the key question. He is not used to working alongside people and his relationship with Brawn has been up and down – particularly through the Brawn GP era and aftermath.

It is understood that Brawn’s responsibilities will focus on liaising between the F1 teams and the FIA, which is and will remain the regulator of the F1 world championship. This will not be easy as the teams have enjoyed a powerful say in the regulations and Ferrari has a veto right over rules it does not want. In negotiations for F1 agreements between F1 and the teams beyond the current deals expiring in 2020, this veto is likely to be off the table.

A bold strategy would see Brawn try to introduce systems to level the sporting playing field, while still allowing the richer teams scope to innovate their way to continued success.

JJ · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:25 am

Let's see how it goes. Brawn could save F1, or then he can destroy it. Or he becomes invisible like Jean Todt and does nothing.

Let's just hope Brawn will concentrate on the difficult problems that F1 has, namely, technical and aerodynamic issues that prevent good racing. For years the heads of F1 have ignored these issues but instead tried to come up with some silly sporting regulations that are easy to implement but do not fix the underlying problems. A case in point was the qualifying fiasco this year.
If some change is very easy to do, it's probably not even a problem. Seeing Brawn wants multi-year plans hopefully implies that he won't settle just for quick fixes.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:27 pm

The aero thing is perfectly summed up in next year's stupid rules - those cars won't be able to pass for a damn, even with DRS

StefMeister · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:20 pm

I was reading something not too long ago about the 2017 cars in which it was pointed out that while all of the focus is on the increased aero, the cars are also going to be wider which is also going to generate a larger ground effect from the larger floor area & bigger/wider diffuser & the wider tyres is also going to increase mechanical grip.

It was basically suggested that while the aero increase will be negative the increased ground effect & mechanical grip should be enough to counteract the increased aero & allow drivers to run fairly close. Additionally it was saying that drivers should be able to lean on the cars & throw them around more which should allow them to really have a go at outbraking & give them enough grip to try & do unusual things like pass round the outside in corners as you sometimes see in something like GP2.

We'll see, Maybe it will pan out that way or maybe it won't but i'm willing to see how it goes before deciding the changes are all shit.

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:54 pm

At first I thought that 2017 cars would be all about aeros. But then again the power increase is not in line with mechanical grip and ground effect increase. Therefore there should be no sense to have more aerodynamical grip, because it will further slow down the car on the straights. So therefore some team will find out that "hey, if we can get this thing going +360km/h on the straight, we don't need that much of the wings, no?". So likes of Williams and Force India can focus on going fast and relying on mechanical grip and good power unit, while Mercedes and Ferrari can be good all around. Red Bull could focus solely on cornering. Could become actually rather interesting season with the new regs.

Also, Ross Brawn as a leader of the sports would be a good thing. He seems to care. If I remember correctly, he wanted to make a clear rule for 2009 about double diffusers but some teams didn't see the opportunity over there. So when Honda sold the team for him, he took the opportunity and gave us a nice underdog story that every Rocky movie fan loves. Since those days the team hasn't won anything...oh wait...

e: maybe Brawn went for fishing because he saw this opportunity and wanted to build some space between him and certain teams so that he'll not be called biased? Who knows.

Fabs · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:40 pm

What does it matter if fuel flow is still limited and if Pirelli can't get their tyres right?

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:49 pm

Fabs wrote:

What does it matter if fuel flow is still limited and if Pirelli can't get their tyres right?

Well, the teams don't use the max allowed fuel in most of the races anyway, so the fuel flow limit is not a problem next year. Can't tell how good Pirelli tyres will be next year in competiting sense. Could be spot on, or not.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:23 pm

Fabs wrote:

What does it matter if fuel flow is still limited and if Pirelli can't get their tyres right?

Do we seriously still blame Pirelli for the shit F1 throws at it?

We all know the secret to the sport being exciting is the tyres and that the teams lose their shit when pirelli do get their tyres right (as in, more entertaining for we, the fans), so Pirelli don't want to risk the negative publicity and err on the side of caution

All the FIA have to do to improve the sport is bring in a "no criticising the tyres" rule, let pirelli off their leash and boom, it's 2012 again, the best F1 season in history.

But no, they'd rather spend billions on more aero to increase laptimes and decrease entertainment

Hopefully Brawn will knock some sense into them.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:26 pm

NVirkkula wrote:

Fabs wrote:

What does it matter if fuel flow is still limited and if Pirelli can't get their tyres right?

Well, the teams don't use the max allowed fuel in most of the races anyway, so the fuel flow limit is not a problem next year. Can't tell how good Pirelli tyres will be next year in competiting sense. Could be spot on, or not.

I think there will almost certainly be some kind of undiscovered issue with the tyres, as there is every year, because - same as every year - the teams and FIA cannot find a way to actually test the tyres properly.

micha · PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:44 pm

Bottas and Stroll are now officially the drivers for Williams in 2o17: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126958

Could be worse. Stroll probably brings his dad's paycheck with him as well.

JJ · PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:59 pm

I expect Stroll to struggle a lot. He's not new Verstappen. Hopefully he doesn't cause havoc.
But if he does well, I think Bottas' career is destroyed for good.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:40 pm

doing good in a Williams is quite unlikely to happen

about the tires, have Pirelli considered labelling compunds randomly, like a super soft with white stripe and a hard with purple stripe and so. no one knows what they are running and then total mayhem

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