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Author:  ellis [ Sun May 26, 2013 11:40 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
It was bizarre how long it took Charlie to throw the safety car today too.
If that crash was worthy of a SC, why did it take over a lap to come out? (If not nearly 2)


The light on the cockpit which signifies that the car has taken a high G Force impact was lit, which requires medical attention. At Monaco that's particularly hard because it's a street circuit.
Author:  codename_47 [ Sun May 26, 2013 11:51 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
It was bizarre how long it took Charlie to throw the safety car today too.
If that crash was worthy of a SC, why did it take over a lap to come out? (If not nearly 2)


The light on the cockpit which signifies that the car has taken a high G Force impact was lit, which requires medical attention. At Monaco that's particularly hard because it's a street circuit.


In that case he took far too long scrambling it...

There's no point having that light if you're going to ignore it... :tumble:
Author:  ellis [ Mon May 27, 2013 1:11 am ]
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codename_47 wrote:
ellis wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
It was bizarre how long it took Charlie to throw the safety car today too.
If that crash was worthy of a SC, why did it take over a lap to come out? (If not nearly 2)


The light on the cockpit which signifies that the car has taken a high G Force impact was lit, which requires medical attention. At Monaco that's particularly hard because it's a street circuit.


In that case he took far too long scrambling it...

There's no point having that light if you're going to ignore it... :tumble:


The light is on the car. Just inside the cockpit I think. It relies on the marshals reporting it, and I'm unsure if they noticed because Massa extracted himself.

Agree it was too long but Charlie is normally first to jump at over safety stuff so I suspect he didn't have the information needed to act.
Author:  Tobias [ Mon May 27, 2013 6:46 am ]
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Also took some time before the red. Unusual to see a replay first and only theb the scene of the crash.
Author:  codename_47 [ Mon May 27, 2013 7:17 am ]
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Tobias wrote:
Also took some time before the red. Unusual to see a replay first and only theb the scene of the crash.


Yeah the TV director had a serious case of slow-to-react-syndrome (drunk?) but I'd assume that the FIA's race directors aren't relying on the TV pictures because with TV Monte Carlo providing the pictures, people might die before anyone realises there's even a yellow flag out.

The marshals have radios and they have that never-seen-by-us CCTV camera network so they have a ton more information than Mr snail gradually pressing the buttons in the TV compound.
Author:  Schumifan [ Mon May 27, 2013 11:29 am ]
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Best example of Monaco TV direction was 2010, when the safety car was already out for a couple of minutes before they cut to a shot of Barrichello's wrecked car in the middle of the track.
Author:  Gaara [ Mon May 27, 2013 12:28 pm ]
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Oh yeaa, that was absolutely pathetic. But didn't that happen three times during that race?
Author:  ryan86 [ Mon May 27, 2013 2:00 pm ]
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Yeah, I can remember commenting it during the race. I actually thought some dreadful had happened a la Krosnoff.
Author:  Mika Kimi [ Mon May 27, 2013 2:27 pm ]
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Don't know if this question has been asked earlier, since I haven't followed the whole thread, but what if Raikkonen simply stayed on the racing line, wouldn't Sergio be way too late for the chicane and had to let Kimi pass again?

I thought Perez was too ambitious but I don't think it was a smart move by Kimi either.
Author:  Shaddix [ Mon May 27, 2013 2:31 pm ]
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If Kimi kept his racing line 2 things could have happened:
- he could have cut the chicane if he saw Perez in his mirrors, like Button had to do
- he would get t-boned by Perez
Author:  RtN [ Mon May 27, 2013 3:35 pm ]
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So cut the chicane. If Perez was as out-of-control as everyone claims he was, he would've also run across the chicane and there would be no penalty for Raikkonen.

He certainly didn't need to squeeze him into the barriers. In fact, if Perez was out of control or too fast into the corner, he would've been launched by that squeeze.
Author:  ellis [ Mon May 27, 2013 3:44 pm ]
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As was pointed out with Brundle (I know I reference him a lot, but he makes a lot of sense), to overtake in Monaco you have to 100% commit. The risk is if the other person isn't cooperative. Kimi wasn't, but that isn't his fault - he's meant to defend. But Perez has already committed to the move, and he can't back out.

Perez should be praised for the effort, not criticised for an accident. It wasn't like Pastor and Grosjean where they just do retarded things.
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon May 27, 2013 6:28 pm ]
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Oh good, there are a few others that share my view. :p

Regardless of how ambitious or stupid the driver behind is, changing your line in the braking zone is incredibly risky/dangerous. All Kimi had to do was hold his line and watch Perez miss the chicane. Or he could have defended coming out of the tunnel. Why did he move so late?

It actually reminded me a little of Prost and Senna at Suzuka in 89. Turning into the corner way too early, on the committed driver.

I'm not saying that Perez made a sensible move (although the ones on Button and Alonso were great, and I don't blame him for thinking he could do it again). But by the time he'd made the move, it was 100% up to Kimi whether there would be an accident or not.
Author:  Gaara [ Mon May 27, 2013 6:34 pm ]
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Well he's got to realise that just because it's worked before, doesn't mean it'll work again.
Author:  Bennoo [ Mon May 27, 2013 8:23 pm ]
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If i remember correctly, the laps before Perez tried to overtake Raikkonen, Kimi already took defensive lines for the chicane. So it was a bit of a do or die action imo
Author:  Mika Kimi [ Mon May 27, 2013 9:00 pm ]
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Gaara wrote:
Well he's got to realise that just because it's worked before, doesn't mean it'll work again.


I think that's only because Kimi reacted differently than Button and Alonso. The question is if this was the right reaction?

Kimi didn't went for a full defensive move and if I recall right, he didn't drive on the racing line or on a full defensive line, but somewhere on the middle of the track. I think he's partially to blame for the incident.
Author:  Tobias [ Wed May 29, 2013 8:53 pm ]
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lol, couldn't resist.

Spoiler:
Image
Author:  Bleu [ Thu May 30, 2013 3:28 am ]
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Skip to around 1:00 to see the crash and how the track was after the incident.
Author:  Tobias [ Thu May 30, 2013 8:04 am ]
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I wonder if there would have been a red flag if it wasn't for those tech pro barriers. The incident would probably have been very similar to Brundle-Alesi '95 with both cars in the rail and no obstruction of the track.

Imagine that crash happened in the front of the pack :o
Author:  Echti [ Thu May 30, 2013 8:23 am ]
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Tobias wrote:
I wonder if there would have been a red flag if it wasn't for those tech pro barriers.


Without the TecPro barriers Bianchi would have t-boned Maldonado.
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