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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:42 pm 
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Some rumors about that McLaren have brought Cosworth. McLaren have denied there true.


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About that list of worst drivers, let's not forget names like Volker Weidler and Gregor Foitek, also Pierre Henri-Raphanel, Enrico Bertaggia, Claudio Langes, Perry McCarthy and Jacques Villeneuve (uncle) all come to my mind.


A lot of those names were unlucky to be stuck in no hoper teams. Some were quite successful on their way up to F1. Foitek's reputation was marred by the incident at Brands with Johnny Herbert.

Deletraz is by far the worst I've seen since I started watching.

Deletraz was really bad, but there were some other I can recall from the 90's that were very bad too, Lavaggi, Schiattarella, Belmondo, Adams, Lagorce, it's really hard to tell who was the worst of them all, but of course Deletraz performances were incredibly bad. Now, if we could place the friday testers there, nobody beats Chanoch Nissany in this competition :p

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some senna fans mocked piquet fans because Raphanel out qualified Nelson once in 1989

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LucasWheldon wrote:
some senna fans mocked piquet fans because Raphanel out qualified Nelson once in 1989

Actually the only race he ever qualified to

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Lucasjeha wrote:
About that list of worst drivers, let's not forget names like Volker Weidler and Gregor Foitek, also Pierre Henri-Raphanel, Enrico Bertaggia, Claudio Langes, Perry McCarthy and Jacques Villeneuve (uncle) all come to my mind.


Uncle Jacques were a winner in CART. Don't be a big mouth.


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dicksplaash wrote:
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About that list of worst drivers, let's not forget names like Volker Weidler and Gregor Foitek, also Pierre Henri-Raphanel, Enrico Bertaggia, Claudio Langes, Perry McCarthy and Jacques Villeneuve (uncle) all come to my mind.


Uncle Jacques were a winner in CART. Don't be a big mouth.

I think you missed the point here, his CART career or his career in any other series is not what I'm talking about, its the F1 worst driver and his career in F1 was a total disaster. If we would consider the previous racing series the drivers has been before F1, many drivers we may consider bad would have to be considered as good.

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Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!


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Lucasjeha wrote:
dicksplaash wrote:
Lucasjeha wrote:
About that list of worst drivers, let's not forget names like Volker Weidler and Gregor Foitek, also Pierre Henri-Raphanel, Enrico Bertaggia, Claudio Langes, Perry McCarthy and Jacques Villeneuve (uncle) all come to my mind.


Uncle Jacques were a winner in CART. Don't be a big mouth.

I think you missed the point here, his CART career or his career in any other series is not what I'm talking about, its the F1 worst driver and his career in F1 was a total disaster. If we would consider the previous racing series the drivers has been before F1, many drivers we may consider bad would have to be considered as good.


Of course, that's why it is Formula 1.

It's impossible to conceive a more ridiculous F1 career than Deletraz anyhow.


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Gaara wrote:
Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!

Doesn't mean he was a bad driver, but a bad F1 driver, the best example of that was Andretti, he was an excelent driver in the USA, but his performances in F1 were horrible. About McCarthy, he didn't really had a chance in that car, it was indeed terrible, but Moreno was able to qualify once for the Monaco GP. Anyway it's too tough to judge, different eras, different cars, it's like telling who was the better, there will be always different opinions and different ways to analyze that.

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Lucasjeha wrote:
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Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!

Doesn't mean he was a bad driver, but a bad F1 driver


Why that distinction? F1 is racing, Indycar is racing, Le Mans is racing, DTM racing, all that matters is whether you are a good racing driver or not.


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Of course, that's why it is Formula 1.

It's impossible to conceive a more ridiculous F1 career than Deletraz anyhow.

If you think about how slow he was in comparison to the teammate and the other drivers, for sure! If I remember correctly, in Estoril in 1995 he was around 11, 12s slower than the pole position in a short track. He only got qualified back there cause there were no other teams and drivers to get him out of the starting grid.

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dicksplaash wrote:
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Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!

Doesn't mean he was a bad driver, but a bad F1 driver


Why that distinction? F1 is racing, Indycar is racing, Le Mans is racing, DTM racing, all that matters is whether you are a good racing driver or not.

I made that distinction about Villeneuve uncle, like I did with the Andretti example, because I'm talking not about his overall driving skills, but the performance he showed in a F1 car. Zanardi was a fantastic driver, his performances in CART were amazing, but in his comeback to F1 in 1999 he was terrible, not a single point in the whole season, a total frustration to his fans, that means he was a bad driver? No, he was a great driver, but he was bad in his F1 performance.

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This car just looks amazing
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Gaara wrote:
Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!


Roberto Moreno ;)

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Claustrophobic wrote:
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Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!


Roberto Moreno ;)


Their cars weren't exactly the same ;)


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dicksplaash wrote:
It's impossible to conceive a more ridiculous F1 career than Deletraz anyhow.


Well, yeah. But at least he have the coolest name ever in racing : Jean-Denis Delétraz(if you know how it sounds in French, obviously) :D

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Gaara wrote:
Claustrophobic wrote:
Gaara wrote:
Doesn't mean he was a bad driver.

Perry McCarthy for instance, who'd have done any better in that car? No one!


Roberto Moreno ;)


Their cars weren't exactly the same ;)



I didn't know about it...
big there was a difference?

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There was the time Perry didn't have an engine allegedly, even sent out on wet tyres. And of course the steering at Spa. It was basically only a car for the sake of having two.


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IIRC, Andrea Moda only took their second car because it was mandatory to have two cars. But Perry's car broke down even before he could leave the pits for the first time, at Barcelona during the pre-qualification session.

Funny thing is according to Moreno, McCarthy was, let's say, quite an overconfident driver.


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According to Inoue's twitter, he won that "worst driver competition" lol ... here's a quote from him "Big celebration is going on. Now I'm a official worst F1 driver of last 20 years. I beat very strong contenders with big sweat!"

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