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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:48 am 
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Reece wrote:
As posted previously, it was a matter of time sadly:

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I took this oicture at the same spot in 2011...

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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
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Xen wrote:
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As posted previously, it was a matter of time sadly:

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In this example a car in front upset the car behind, like the Toyota GT-One upset the Mercedes at LeMans when it flipped (in 1 case at least).

Exacerbated it for sure, but the BM still went high and there's countless pictures of other cars doing the same. Besides, to think it is more likely with cars following behind further supports measures to make changes somewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:39 pm 
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DMSB confirms SP7, SP8, SP9, SP10 and SP-X are banned from racing at the Nürburgring until further notice.


https://twitter.com/marceltencaat/statu ... 7115030529


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:39 pm 
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DMSB confirms SP7, SP8, SP9, SP10 and SP-X are banned from racing at the Nürburgring until further notice.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:46 pm 
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Don't they usually put a tyre chicane in front of a bump like this for GT races at the slovakiaring? Not an elegant solution but at least it doesn't require banning classes from racing at the ring.

edit: yep, here is that bump without a chicane


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
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Until they lowered it, yes they did.

I would hazard a guess that they'll have something in place before the next race and those classes will be allowed.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:57 pm 
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They could do that, but IMO the run up to Flugplatz is too tight to properly put a chicane there, especially for such a big field.

I fear flattening it will be the eventual solution...


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:36 pm 
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Hopefully a reasonable solution can be found before the 24. Otherwise, that race will be heavily compromised. But what can be done in 1 and a half months?


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
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DMSB confirms SP7, SP8, SP9, SP10 and SP-X are banned from racing at the Nürburgring until further notice.


https://twitter.com/marceltencaat/statu ... 7115030529


What are they? Different classes of cars or makes of a car?


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:55 pm 
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Classes (mainly the GT3's and cars like the Glickenhaus), here's the breakdown of what cars are in what class:

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SP7 – includes Porsche Cup class cars
SP8 – larger engined none FIA GT homologated cars – includes Lexus LFA
SP9 – includes FIA GT3 class cars
SP10 – includes FIA GT4 class cars
SPX – other non-homologated GT cars – includes Glickenhaus SCG 003


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:35 pm 
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Above list and press release: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/03/2 ... unced.html

It is a temporary ban, but with the race so close the investigation and decisions better be quick if they plan to allow them again at the N24.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:04 pm 
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deggis wrote:
Do other cars do this elsewhere too or just the Glickenhaus?


"This was during practice which is what practice is for. This was our first NS session ever with SCG 003C.. We were running slowly to see what we needed to do. We specifically told our drivers to approach the jumps slowly which they did. Once we saw what we needed to do we adjusted aero and car was very good and stable. We raced today without any issues and were running 6th when we were black flagged for being too loud."

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost.php ... count=3550


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:57 am 
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Don't know if this will work or not, but what about removing the wing (or cutting it way down) on the back of the cars? I understand it's the fronts getting light over the hills, but with the big wing pushing the rear downward when the front gets light the rear is only making the situation worse.

Similar to top fuel dragster blowovers. Front end comes up and when the nose wings lose their effectiveness the big rear wing keeps pushing down until the front and rear swap ends.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
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DMSB confirms SP7, SP8, SP9, SP10 and SP-X are banned from racing at the Nürburgring until further notice.


https://twitter.com/marceltencaat/statu ... 7115030529


That's one of the reasons I was worried about the crash: losing the top classes or having the track altered. But I just got "don't be a pussy" remarks. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:36 pm 
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StanV wrote:
Classes (mainly the GT3's and cars like the Glickenhaus), here's the breakdown of what cars are in what class:

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SP7 – includes Porsche Cup class cars
SP8 – larger engined none FIA GT homologated cars – includes Lexus LFA
SP9 – includes FIA GT3 class cars
SP10 – includes FIA GT4 class cars
SPX – other non-homologated GT cars – includes Glickenhaus SCG 003

SP10 must be a mistake, these are close to standard class and are among the slowest cars. Weird that they don't ban H4 yet.

As always this decision is good for safety, and bad for spectacle. These cars were starting to go too fast, but were more interesting to see than a Swift racing a Polo.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:27 pm 
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Hopefully a reasonable solution can be found before the 24. Otherwise, that race will be heavily compromised. But what can be done in 1 and a half months?



ban fans in that corner?


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:43 am 
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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:52 am 
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Its not Rocket Surgery or Brain Science is it?
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Seeing that video..its incredibly lucky there wasnt more people injured.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:12 am 
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Damn.
Rallying rules might help: if not enough runoff area, no specatators should stay outside the corner, only inside.


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 Post subject: Re: VLN 2015
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:02 am 
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but there is runoff area, tyrewall, barriers and double fence. The car shouldn't be flying, that is all.


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