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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:30 pm 
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ellis wrote:
Was that a rule? Because it's impossible to actually use. F1, WTCC, WEC and FIA GT1 - just from those 4 series you need 3-4 weeks gaps for series all over the place to fit them in.


I thought it was. In the past years at least. Well WEC is new for this year, but F1 didn't usually clash with WTCC or FIA GT, did it?


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spekktrum wrote:
ellis wrote:
Was that a rule? Because it's impossible to actually use. F1, WTCC, WEC and FIA GT1 - just from those 4 series you need 3-4 weeks gaps for series all over the place to fit them in.


I thought it was. In the past years at least. Well WEC is new for this year, but F1 didn't usually clash with WTCC or FIA GT, did it?


It happened in the past occasionally.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:07 pm 
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Echti wrote:
spekktrum wrote:
ellis wrote:
Was that a rule? Because it's impossible to actually use. F1, WTCC, WEC and FIA GT1 - just from those 4 series you need 3-4 weeks gaps for series all over the place to fit them in.


I thought it was. In the past years at least. Well WEC is new for this year, but F1 didn't usually clash with WTCC or FIA GT, did it?


It happened in the past occasionally.


This year the GT1 clashed with F1 on 4 out of 5 times. Just sayin'...

In other news: Štefan Rosina replaces Enge for the rest of the season in the GT1. Good to see a Slovak driver in there, although I liked Enge...
source http://www.autosportfoto.sk/spravodajstvo/clanok/rosina-nahradza-engeho-vo-fia-gt1 (slovak)


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Not completely in line of this topic, but there's a full (I think) livestream of the Zolder Super Prix this weekend. Supercar Challenge, some Clio's, some prototypes etc.

http://live.crossmediaventures.com/Defa ... x?ID=17202


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Desolating sight from Portimao: European GT3 racing with 11 cars (4 manufacturers).

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fede999 wrote:
Desolating sight from Portimao: European GT3 racing with 11 cars (4 manufacturers).


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fede999 wrote:
Desolating sight from Portimao: European GT3 racing with 11 cars (4 manufacturers).


Thats because most teams have gone to the proper sportscar series (Blancpain Endurance Championship). 1hr sprints is just plain wrong!

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Speedworx wrote:
fede999 wrote:
Desolating sight from Portimao: European GT3 racing with 11 cars (4 manufacturers).


Thats because most teams have gone to the proper sportscar series (Blancpain Endurance Championship). 1hr sprints is just plain wrong!


And because GT3 cars are legal in GT1 now, so they have just spread the entries across 2 series, which is stupid.


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Speedworx wrote:
fede999 wrote:
Desolating sight from Portimao: European GT3 racing with 11 cars (4 manufacturers).


Thats because most teams have gone to the proper sportscar series (Blancpain Endurance Championship). 1hr sprints is just plain wrong!


I don't mind the sprint format for GTs, I think it provided great racing in 2010-2011 and I think it's the right format for national championships.

It's mostly the spectacular failure of 2010 GT1 rules, with just ONE new manufacturer entering (Nissan) which led to this.

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the only reason why GT1 failed is because of that stupid "each manufacturer needs 2 teams with 2 cars" rule


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Metzo wrote:
the only reason why GT1 failed is because of that stupid "each manufacturer needs 2 teams with 2 cars" rule


Back in the 90's you had four hour races and manufacturers with just a single car. What's so wrong about doing that? It was better.


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Metzo wrote:
the only reason why GT1 failed is because of that stupid "each manufacturer needs 2 teams with 2 cars" rule


That kind of rule was in place in the early GT3 days as well, but didn't prevent it from blossoming with large fields. In the context of a world championship, big manufacturers want to have their investments repaid, nobody's going to develop a GT1 project if no team wants to race their car.
I think GT1-spec cars simply became too expensive to develop and manufactures just preferred the more straight-from-production based GT3 rules, especially since they're devloping a car mainly for privateer efforts. Later, exclusion from ACO sanctioned events was just the final nail in the coffin.

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they should've just let Fia GT how it was back in 2009 :C


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Metzo wrote:
they should've just let Fia GT how it was back in 2009 :C


It would have died out anyway, with the newest cars being as old as 2005 and constantly shrinking grids. Compare 2009 grids to 2005-2007 and you'll get the picture.

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Manufacturers come and go. You can't pander to them.


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fede999 wrote:
Metzo wrote:
they should've just let Fia GT how it was back in 2009 :C


It would have died out anyway, with the newest cars being as old as 2005 and constantly shrinking grids. Compare 2009 grids to 2005-2007 and you'll get the picture.

ya, but it was way better than today


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Gaara wrote:
Manufacturers come and go. You can't pander to them.


They come and go according to profit. Past GT1 cars (99-2009) could race at Le Mans, in ALMS, ELMS (later on), FIA GT and national championships. So there were plenty of reasons to develop such a car. If your "new investment" can only race in a world championship with limited media coverage which won't attract any new audience (nobody's going to tune in on an online stream unless he's already an aficionado of the series and Bloomberg Tv isn't exactly a sports channel) and hasn't a "classic" appeal (no Le Mans, no Sebring and so on), well either you just turn to GTE (like Corvette did) or spend a WAY smaller budget on a GT3 (Aston Martin and Ferrari did both).
Take a manufacturer like Audi, for example. I think they'd rather win a single event with some tradition in it like the ADAC 24h or the Spa 24h than a "generic" GT World Championship.

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As the RLM guys said, someone needs to lock all the organisers in a room and not let them out until they have a unified GT agreement. ACO, FIA, SRO, etc.

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ellis wrote:
As the RLM guys said, someone needs to lock all the organisers in a room and not let them out until they have a unified GT agreement. ACO, FIA, SRO, etc.


This.

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