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Author:  westracing01 [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:51 pm ]
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Bah. That was nonsense. Wilson probably would've got passed him anyhow, but it would've been nice to see him actually pass Helio. Plus it hurts quite a bit in the points as it would've been 10 more points for Helio. Instead of a 20 point lead for Dixon it's 30...
Author:  StefMeister [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:51 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
StefMeiser wrote:
Wilson wins :thumbsup:

Im happy to see Justin win, especially because of the situation with Paul Newman's very ill health, but I really hate that the win came because of a really dumb decision from the officials.


With the speed he had and Castroneves having to play it safe, I think he would've got by him at some point...


That may well be true but if he was faster Id have much rather seen him have to fight his way past.
Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:54 pm ]
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StefMeiser wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
StefMeiser wrote:
Wilson wins :thumbsup:

Im happy to see Justin win, especially because of the situation with Paul Newman's very ill health, but I really hate that the win came because of a really dumb decision from the officials.


With the speed he had and Castroneves having to play it safe, I think he would've got by him at some point...


That may well be true but if he was faster Id have much rather seen him have to fight his way past.


Oh no question, but it's not like he was trolling around in second and had ONCE half chance to get by and was handed victory on a plate, he had the speed to take the win so it is not an undeserved victory. ;)
Author:  RtN [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:56 pm ]
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Speed isn't everything, you also need the skill to pass the driver in front.

'Catching is one thing, passing is quite another.'
Author:  Fox [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:57 pm ]
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I would like to see this Rule in FBMW or BTCC.I bet the whole Field gets Drive Troughs :lol: :lol: :lol: :whistling:
Author:  CART fan [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:26 pm ]
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This race seemed very Champ Car-like. Not necessarily in the good way either.
Author:  Mattzel89 [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:27 pm ]
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for those who haven't seen the interview, and incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJVLLe6izc
Author:  CART fan [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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At least there wasn't a penalty for hitting a cone :)
Author:  jdh [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:33 pm ]
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Mattzel89 wrote:
for those who haven't seen the interview, and incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJVLLe6izc


That's pretty harsh to give a penalty for that. Wilson had the space, it's not like Helio was pushing him in the direction of the wall.
Author:  KK3869 [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:42 pm ]
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jdh wrote:
Mattzel89 wrote:
for those who haven't seen the interview, and incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJVLLe6izc


That's pretty harsh to give a penalty for that. Wilson had the space, it's not like Helio was pushing him in the direction of the wall.


My thoughts exactly. Oh well, great to see a different face in victory lane.
Author:  Fox [ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:44 pm ]
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I mean there was enough Room for Wilson.You cant call that a "Dangerous" Blocking Manoveur.
Author:  NVirkkula [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:45 am ]
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If Helio would have done that manouver more than once, I would have understood the penalty or if Wilson would have lost time/positions because of this. Bad call, but I hope that ICS learns from this incident and doesn't shoot its legs off.
Author:  Tobias [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:07 am ]
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KK3869 wrote:
jdh wrote:
Mattzel89 wrote:
for those who haven't seen the interview, and incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJVLLe6izc


That's pretty harsh to give a penalty for that. Wilson had the space, it's not like Helio was pushing him in the direction of the wall.


My thoughts exactly. Oh well, great to see a different face in victory lane.


I don't quite understand either what was wrong with this move. Fair racing and legitimate blocking of a crucial position.
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:07 pm ]
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I think Wilson had the speed and was just about to draw alongside but he had no choice but to back off. That's a block in my view. If Helio had made his defensive move before Justin was already looking up the inside then that would have been ok. It's very touch and go and still a little sad to see the race end that way. I think Wilson would have made it past eventually so the result would have still been the same. But we'll never know for sure.
Author:  NC24 [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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ICS should banish that rule altogether.
Author:  Starlancer [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:46 pm ]
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Why are there rules against blocking again?

They aren't 8 year olds out in go-karts, let them race for God sake.
Author:  De Cesaris fan [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:01 pm ]
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Starlancer wrote:
Why are there rules against blocking again?

They aren't 8 year olds out in go-karts, let them race for God sake.


I think it's where you draw the line between "blocking" and "defending". I'd say that if you squeeze a car and force it to brake or go off the road then that is a block. If you cover the inside and then allow the other car a run to the outside then that is defending.

Unless the IRL doesn't allow you to move your line at all. Which would be lame. I wouldn't know how to judge the Wilson/Helio incident. Aggressive defending or a tame block?
Author:  pending [ Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:03 pm ]
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Exactly. You are allowed to move to the inside to defend your line if the car behind you moves there. But back up again that is blocking. So, if you have a rule like that, that is how it should work...
Author:  NC24 [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:18 am ]
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How does the IRL handle that on a Speedway?
Author:  ZL11 [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:37 am ]
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BillBuckner wrote:
Starlancer wrote:
Why are there rules against blocking again?

They aren't 8 year olds out in go-karts, let them race for God sake.
Because blocking in open wheel cars is very, very dangerous. Making a move off the line is fine, but going back on it is pushing luck.


Especially when they're racing IRL Dallaras
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